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+++ Reclamation Legion (1716pts) +++

++ Necrons: Codex (2015) (Nec Decurion Detachment) (1716pts) ++

+ Core (1041pts) +

Reclamation Legion (1041pts)
Rules: Enhanced Reanimation Protocols, Move Through Cover, Relentless
····Immortals (85pts)
········5x Immortal (85pts) 5x Tesla
····Overlord (160pts) Phase Shifter, Resurrection Orb, Voidreaper
····Tomb Blades (66pts)
········Tomb Blade,Nebuloscope, Shield Vanes, Twin-linked Gauss Blaster
········Tomb Blade,Nebuloscope, Shield Vanes, Twin-linked Gauss Blaster
········Tomb Blade,Nebuloscope, Shield Vanes, Twin-linked Gauss Blaster
····Warriors (235pts)
········Ghost Ark (105pts)
········10x Necron Warrior (130pts)
····Warriors (235pts)
········Ghost Ark (105pts)
········10x Necron Warrior (130pts)
····Warriors (260pts)
········20x Necron Warrior

+ Auxiliary (675pts) +

Judicator Battalion (675pts)
Rules: Move Through Cover, Target Designated
····Triarch Praetorians (270pts)
········Night Scythe (130pts)
········5x Triarch Praetorian (140pts) 5x Rod of Covenant
····Triarch Praetorians (270pts)
········Night Scythe (130pts)
········5x Triarch Praetorian (140pts) 5x Rod of Covenant
····Triarch Stalkers (135pts)
········Triarch Stalker, Twin-Linked Heavy Gauss Cannon

The basic idea is to stick the Lord in the blob of 20 and keep the arks on the flanks. They can repair and 20 gauss blasters should cause most things problems. I like the battalion. They're not necessarily going to start in the night scythes but it gives me some flier support. What do people think? I'm pretty new to necrons?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/675909/8370848.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/675909/8370848.page GMT Re:[1750] - Necron - Trying to get into necrons, no idea if this is good or terrible. Please help
* Zahndrekh instead of that Overlord will go a lot further. You can flip the WL trait as the situation calls for it, and will help you learn Necrons a little easier. Especially if you have anything in Reserve, like the Nightscythes.

* Nightscythes in the Judicator. If you haven't purchased anything yet, save these for last. While they are good in a Judicator, not everyone will allow you to have the Praetorians start in the Nightscythe. Rules debate aside, there is tactically very little reason to do so. I'll be trying it out when I get my Praetorians together because I've got a group of guys who have agreed to let me start them inside. Just from discussions though, it seems that doing it only hurts the Necron player.

* Tesla Immortals are a great choice with this setup. Finding points to get more models in that unit and/or more Tomb Blades is a good idea to consider down the road. Even dropping one of the Nightscythes would be worth it. If you find you're a little too light on the assault side as well, then having more Praetorians is a good idea.

* Mono Stalkers in the Judicator will bite you in some games. While the HGC is still great, you won't be able to take advantage of the Formation bonus if he dies. So you could also put him in reserve on a game by game basis, but them you're not providing that BS bonus to the units on the board.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/675909/8371493.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/675909/8371493.page GMT [1750] - Necron - Trying to get into necrons, no idea if this is good or terrible. Please help
A question about the night scythes, do they not benefit from the special rule where by the stalker selects a unit in line of sight? I assumed they did? Also, very briefly, what's the argument for them not being able to start inside? It's a dedicated transport? To be perfectly honest they're only in their as AA which is something I think the list lacks. Is there a better way of doing it? I don't mind dropping them for more tomb blades and immortals. I was even considering a C'Tan as I think they're really cool. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/675909/8371540.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/675909/8371540.page GMT Re:[1750] - Necron - Trying to get into necrons, no idea if this is good or terrible. Please help
Most people never mention whether or not they intend on starting the Praetorians in them or not, so I've picked up the habit of pointing it out. If you're not planning on having them in the NS, then no one will have a problem and you'll be fine.

While I understand the desire to have some AA, Necrons have such a strong ground presence that it's often as much as 'How are the Flyers going to deal with the Ground units' instead of how Necrons deal with Flyers. I'm not saying that flyers can't be difficult or problematic, just that I've found they aren't a priority unless there is nothing else to shoot. Is it a better way? Not necessarily better, but it is an effective one.

You've got such a Warrior Centric list, that I think you'll be fine. If your group plays with Mysterious Objectives, then the possibility of a Skyfire Nexus is good in your army. Even then, some players won't Jink, thinking that 6s to hit and Glance means they're safe. Then the HPs peel off here n there, and they have to rethink Jink.

As for the debate, it's shortened down to one of two solutions.
1) Praetorians are Jump Infantry. Unless permission is given to allow them inside, like Stormravens IIRC, you still can't start the unit in the NS because it's missing this in their rules. Most players and Events will probably rule this way, and all Necron players should be aware of it. Some even go so far as to say that it's a Copy n Paste error.

2) Its a Dedicated Transport, so has all the permission it needs. It's the 'Why would it be an option if they couldn't use it' mentality/approach. Outside of a Judicator, having the option makes zero sense, since nothing else could start in it. Even less sense, since there are other ways to get empty Nightscythes into a list. Relaxed players will allow it and you'll have a good time.

Get a CTan later. Yes they are cool, but even I agree with other players, that they're unreliable, and easy to deal with. Great for fun games.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/675909/8371962.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/675909/8371962.page GMT [1750] - Necron - Trying to get into necrons, no idea if this is good or terrible. Please help
As for keeping the Arks on the flanks, you would be better served having at least one close to your 20 block as to resurrect fallen warriors. it may be worth while to have the warriors hold the center instead and push your enemy to the edges, or bring them into charge range of your Praetorians.

As for a C'tan, I would suggest only getting one if you plan to use it in the Conclave of the Burning One formation. That really adds survivability to the C'tan and makes it more viable. Given that it is a formation, your army will still be battle-forged.

Consider a command barge, that thing will increase the size of your re-roll 1's bubble. But since your rec legion is fairly sparse, it may not make sense at this points level.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/675909/8372286.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/675909/8372286.page GMT [1750] - Necron - Trying to get into necrons, no idea if this is good or terrible. Please help
I'm thinking about perhaps dropping the night scythes. I can add another stalker and perhaps more immortals or something. I think I'd like to push this list to 2K eventually. Is the harvest really that special? Wraiths seem majorly under costed. But are they that good?

When I said about keeping the arks on the flank, I meant the flanks of the warrior blob. Not the flanks of the board. The basic idea is to have a strong centre board presence but I'm not sure how effective this will be.

Is tesla really any good on backfield immortals. The gauss weapon has the same range at 1 shot. Granted it doesn't gain the extra on 6's but it does have gauss. Really struggling here. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/675909/8372902.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/675909/8372902.page GMT [1750] - Necron - Trying to get into necrons, no idea if this is good or terrible. Please help http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/675909/8373450.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/675909/8373450.page GMT [1750] - Necron - Trying to get into necrons, no idea if this is good or terrible. Please help
 Khaine's Wrath wrote:
Trying to get into necrons. Love the fluff. Always liked the look and simplicity. Now I'm trying to build a list. I don't want to use the harvest. I don't really like it. So I've come up with this instead....

+++ Reclamation Legion (1716pts) +++

++ Necrons: Codex (2015) (Nec Decurion Detachment) (1716pts) ++

+ Core (1041pts) +

Reclamation Legion (1041pts)
Rules: Enhanced Reanimation Protocols, Move Through Cover, Relentless
····Immortals (85pts)
········5x Immortal (85pts) 5x Tesla
····Overlord (160pts) Phase Shifter, Resurrection Orb, Voidreaper
····Tomb Blades (66pts)
········Tomb Blade,Nebuloscope, Shield Vanes, Twin-linked Gauss Blaster
········Tomb Blade,Nebuloscope, Shield Vanes, Twin-linked Gauss Blaster
········Tomb Blade,Nebuloscope, Shield Vanes, Twin-linked Gauss Blaster
····Warriors (235pts)
········Ghost Ark (105pts)
········10x Necron Warrior (130pts)
····Warriors (235pts)
········Ghost Ark (105pts)
········10x Necron Warrior (130pts)
····Warriors (260pts)
········20x Necron Warrior

+ Auxiliary (675pts) +

Judicator Battalion (675pts)
Rules: Move Through Cover, Target Designated
····Triarch Praetorians (270pts)
········Night Scythe (130pts)
········5x Triarch Praetorian (140pts) 5x Rod of Covenant
····Triarch Praetorians (270pts)
········Night Scythe (130pts)
········5x Triarch Praetorian (140pts) 5x Rod of Covenant
····Triarch Stalkers (135pts)
········Triarch Stalker, Twin-Linked Heavy Gauss Cannon

The basic idea is to stick the Lord in the blob of 20 and keep the arks on the flanks. They can repair and 20 gauss blasters should cause most things problems. I like the battalion. They're not necessarily going to start in the night scythes but it gives me some flier support. What do people think? I'm pretty new to necrons?


Looks great. I always go Tesla Immortals to deal with blobs.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/675909/8373467.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/675909/8373467.page GMT [1750] - Necron - Trying to get into necrons, no idea if this is good or terrible. Please help
Necron Decurion detachment 1750

Core - Reclmation Legion

Overlord - Voidreaper, Res Orb, Phylactery, phase shifter
Immortals - 5x Tesla
Immortals - 5x Tesla
Warriors - 10x Warriors, Ghost Ark
Warriors - 10x Warriors, Ghost Ark
Warriors - 20x Warrios (overlord goes here in reserve)
Tomb blades - 3x Tomb blades, 3x shield veins
Monolith

Auxiliary - Judicator Batallion

Triarch Stalker - Heavy gauss cannon
Triarch Preatorians - 5x Rods of Covenants
Triarch Preatorians - 5x Rods of Covenants

The idea is to put the Lord and 20 warriors in reserve and then jump them out of the monolith then one. The other option is to put them on the field to draw enemy deployment with the monolith out somewhere else and then pull them through to nullify enemy shooting. Not sure if this tactic works?!

Thoughts?
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Almost anything is a better option. More Tomb Blades, a Night Scythe in the Judicator and more Praetorians, another Stalker and more Tom Blades/Praetorians or Immortals. All of these things add more value than a Monolith that will be Melta/Grav/D fodder on turn one or completely ignored until it's convenient for your opponent to destroy.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/675909/8375563.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/675909/8375563.page GMT [1750] - Necron - Trying to get into necrons, no idea if this is good or terrible. Please help

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Two heat Ray's and I could probably get some gauss immortals. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/675909/8375689.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/675909/8375689.page GMT [1750] - Necron - Trying to get into necrons, no idea if this is good or terrible. Please help
Zimko wrote:
The problem with Monoliths is poor damage output and they're expensive and slow. So while the idea of hopping 20 Warriors across the board seems like a cool idea... you could do the same thing for cheaper using an Overlord upgrade. And besides... why would you want to deny your opponent the opportunity to waste shots on a 20man warrior blob in a Decurion?

Almost anything is a better option. More Tomb Blades, a Night Scythe in the Judicator and more Praetorians, another Stalker and more Tom Blades/Praetorians or Immortals. All of these things add more value than a Monolith that will be Melta/Grav/D fodder on turn one or completely ignored until it's convenient for your opponent to destroy.


Use the Monolith for the Immortals. Have them deal with any tac squads with metlas. Keep the 20 blob sandwiched between the Ghost Arks for 2x Repair Barge. The beauty of the Monolith is you can take any infantry in the game, in reserve, on Pluto, at your mom's house, etc (as long as they aren't locked in combat. Also, if you can't tell I'm be facetious, delete your interwebs.) and put them out the gate. You don't need to assign one unit in reserves to be "in the Monolith". I use this strategy all the time when people try to roll up on it with meltas. No one likes it when 20 Warriors who were 4 feet away suddenly appear in front of them. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/675909/8375692.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/675909/8375692.page GMT [1750] - Necron - Trying to get into necrons, no idea if this is good or terrible. Please help
 Darth_Mox wrote:
Zimko wrote:
The problem with Monoliths is poor damage output and they're expensive and slow. So while the idea of hopping 20 Warriors across the board seems like a cool idea... you could do the same thing for cheaper using an Overlord upgrade. And besides... why would you want to deny your opponent the opportunity to waste shots on a 20man warrior blob in a Decurion?

Almost anything is a better option. More Tomb Blades, a Night Scythe in the Judicator and more Praetorians, another Stalker and more Tom Blades/Praetorians or Immortals. All of these things add more value than a Monolith that will be Melta/Grav/D fodder on turn one or completely ignored until it's convenient for your opponent to destroy.


Use the Monolith for the Immortals. Have them deal with any tac squads with metlas. Keep the 20 blob sandwiched between the Ghost Arks for 2x Repair Barge. The beauty of the Monolith is you can take any infantry in the game, in reserve, on Pluto, at your mom's house, etc (as long as they aren't locked in combat. Also, if you can't tell I'm be facetious, delete your interwebs.) and put them out the gate. You don't need to assign one unit in reserves to be "in the Monolith". I use this strategy all the time when people try to roll up on it with meltas. No one likes it when 20 Warriors who were 4 feet away suddenly appear in front of them.


That's beautiful if your opponent is 'rolling' up to you with meltas. My problem is usually they're 'Drop Podding' with meltas and leave no chance for you to even use the portal.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/675909/8375696.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/675909/8375696.page GMT [1750] - Necron - Trying to get into necrons, no idea if this is good or terrible. Please help
Zimko wrote:
That's beautiful if your opponent is 'rolling' up to you with meltas. My problem is usually they're 'Drop Podding' with meltas and leave no chance for you to even use the portal.


Which is another reason why you shouldn't put the warriors in reserve. Because then they're gone. The few times I've encountered this they were not able to kill my Monolith in 1 shooting phase as most drop pod squads only have 1-2 meltas.

Personally I have never had someone Termicide my Monolith with 5 combi-meltas. They go for my GA's since they're a much bigger threat as I play them very aggressively.

If you want to play with a Monolith, play with one. You can throw out a worst-case scenario for just about any Necron unit. Yes, playing against Space Marines with drop pods with tac squads with meltas would probably wreck your Monolith's day. However, that's the only scenario that a drop pod squad would wreck your Monolith's day without you getting a turn.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/675909/8375796.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/675909/8375796.page GMT [1750] - Necron - Trying to get into necrons, no idea if this is good or terrible. Please help OP can do whatever. He should be familiar now with the reasons for why to take a Monolith and why not to. Your mileage may vary.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/675909/8375844.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/675909/8375844.page GMT [1750] - Necron - Trying to get into necrons, no idea if this is good or terrible. Please help
Back to the stalker discussion. I cannot decide between the two load outs...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/675909/8375858.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/675909/8375858.page GMT [1750] - Necron - Trying to get into necrons, no idea if this is good or terrible. Please help http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/675909/8375960.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/675909/8375960.page GMT [1750] - Necron - Trying to get into necrons, no idea if this is good or terrible. Please help http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/675909/8376044.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/675909/8376044.page GMT [1750] - Necron - Trying to get into necrons, no idea if this is good or terrible. Please help http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/675909/8377701.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/675909/8377701.page GMT [1750] - Necron - Trying to get into necrons, no idea if this is good or terrible. Please help
 Khaine's Wrath wrote:
Ok, I have dropped the monolith and dropped the stalkers gun down to a heat Ray, I've then added a second stalker and a third unit of immortals but this time with gauss. I do feel I'd struggle against aircraft. I suppose play testing will tell me.


I wouldn't worry about aircraft. Play testing should tell you that you can weather whatever beating aircraft can put out while capturing objectives that aircraft can't capture.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/675909/8378009.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/675909/8378009.page GMT [1750] - Necron - Trying to get into necrons, no idea if this is good or terrible. Please help
To an aside. The Judicator Batallion - I'm assuming the stalkers form a unit and therefor have to fire at the same thing? I also assume that means that the formation can only pick one target a turn for special rules?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/675909/8378135.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/675909/8378135.page GMT [1750] - Necron - Trying to get into necrons, no idea if this is good or terrible. Please help
 Khaine's Wrath wrote:

To an aside. The Judicator Batallion - I'm assuming the stalkers form a unit and therefor have to fire at the same thing? I also assume that means that the formation can only pick one target a turn for special rules?


Yes to both questions.

Also keep in mind that the Heat Ray has a Flamer option, and since they are walkers this means they can use it in Overwatch when charged. It doesn't come up often, but when it does it always surprises my opponent.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/675909/8378172.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/675909/8378172.page GMT [1750] - Necron - Trying to get into necrons, no idea if this is good or terrible. Please help http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/675909/8382697.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/675909/8382697.page GMT [1750] - Necron - Trying to get into necrons, no idea if this is good or terrible. Please help Keep the Stalker with at least one of them to give it cover saves, at least.
If you go this route, stick to the single Stalker.

Can vouch for Night Scythes from the J.Battalion being worth it. Rerolls to-hit and rerolls to-wound/pen are amazing on Tesla Destructors, even if they are AP-.

A second unit of Tomb Blades would also be good.

If you add more Immortals, one larger unit might be better than two smaller ones. If you go for triple GAs, the Immortal squad is probably where your Overlord is going to attach. You'll want them staying alive. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/675909/8384841.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/675909/8384841.page GMT [1750] - Necron - Trying to get into necrons, no idea if this is good or terrible. Please help http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/675909/8385114.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/675909/8385114.page GMT [1750] - Necron - Trying to get into necrons, no idea if this is good or terrible. Please help
 Khaine's Wrath wrote:
I'm now thinking of adding lychguard with war scythes. Mostly because I love them.


I'll be honest the idea of a 3+ armor and a 4+reanimate is a nice idea, then you walk in with str 7 ap2 hits, its a good time here's the problem, ap3. Then your elite warriors are reduced to just their reanimate. There are two viable solutions to this, put a Chrono Cryptek in there to help with str 10/D hits to drop reanimate, or give them swords and shields. The power sword equilivant is the favorite because then you get a unit of str 5, ap3 'Crons with a 3+/3++ with a 4+ reanimate, and watch them mow through anything not in 2+ armor. For that I usually throw a destroyer lord in, and upgrade him with a warscythe to deal with those in 2+armor. It's a scary formation when you think about the models only being 25pts per model. Also the D.lord conveys preferred enemy to the unit, so hitting on 3 or 4 rerolling 1's, then wounding on 3's rerolling 1's.....yep its as bad as it sounds...some high level cheese....fun.

Rowen]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/675909/8385617.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/675909/8385617.page GMT [1750] - Necron - Trying to get into necrons, no idea if this is good or terrible. Please help http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/675909/8385650.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/675909/8385650.page GMT [1750] - Necron - Trying to get into necrons, no idea if this is good or terrible. Please help NS or Veil).]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/675909/8385985.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/675909/8385985.page GMT [1750] - Necron - Trying to get into necrons, no idea if this is good or terrible. Please help Str 7 AP 2 armourbane attacks on the charge. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/675909/8387224.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/675909/8387224.page GMT [1750] - Necron - Trying to get into necrons, no idea if this is good or terrible. Please help http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/675909/8387321.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/675909/8387321.page GMT [1750] - Necron - Trying to get into necrons, no idea if this is good or terrible. Please help
I love your original list OP. The Judicator Battalion has always been my favorite formation in the codex. The way I run it to pretty great effect is 2 Stalkers, 2 squads with rods ,and one Night Scythe. I never really start the Praetorians in the NS just because I want them on the field and dont want to risk not getting my reserves rolls. This gives you the benefit of a flier with the battalion bonus and the two stalkers makes it more difficult to "shut down" the formation. The problem with some Necron formations is they have one key unit that will get targeted by anyone who knows what they are doing (I.E. Stalkers and Spyders) and that makes the formation much less threatening.

I'll reiterate what @Akar said Zahndrek is great in warrior-scentric lists and helps when you have a flier to get on the board.

As far as the lychguard go,. I think you have enough dedicated assault in your praetorians that you wouldnt really need them. Lychguard are awesome and all but the challenge is always getting them close to something. People run them with Orikan in a CAD with a Night Scythe and that basically ruins everything it touches but just lychguard by themselves is not very threatening.

I love your original list and with your permission I think I will try and piggy back off it for my own games.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/675909/8389032.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/675909/8389032.page GMT [1750] - Necron - Trying to get into necrons, no idea if this is good or terrible. Please help http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/675909/8391530.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/675909/8391530.page GMT