<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "Chainswords=Sticks"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/16.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Chainswords=Sticks ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/676018/8372562.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/676018/8372562.page GMT Chainswords=Sticks ppm for sm models.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/676018/8372655.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/676018/8372655.page GMT Re:Chainswords=Sticks SM are definitely giving up more than they are getting with a Chainsword, I think Shred should be free. Also, the Chapters that allow a Chainsword to be taken in addition to their current armament only pay 2 pts for them. With that in mind, I think giving a Chainsword Shred for free isn't too much to ask.

P.S. I used to have several SM Sergeants equipped with a Combi-Weapon and a Chainsword. Now that swapped the Chainswords for a fist or open hand, I am sure GW will take the opportunity to make Chainswords not worthless.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/676018/8372672.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/676018/8372672.page GMT Chainswords=Sticks ccw also get shred for free?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/676018/8372689.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/676018/8372689.page GMT Chainswords=Sticks http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/676018/8372702.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/676018/8372702.page GMT Chainswords=Sticks Not quite chainaxe, but enough to cut throgh fodder in assault, making assault marines and raptors be a bit less weak. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/676018/8373078.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/676018/8373078.page GMT Chainswords=Sticks http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/676018/8373106.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/676018/8373106.page GMT Chainswords=Sticks http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/676018/8373291.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/676018/8373291.page GMT Re:Chainswords=Sticks http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/676018/8373370.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/676018/8373370.page GMT Chainswords=Sticks Make chainsword profile (Suser AP5),give it in the profile of assault marines and raptors, make it an optional buy for anything else that got any in model (like scouts or tacs) as 1 or 2 point trade from CCW, and you are done. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/676018/8373658.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/676018/8373658.page GMT Re:Chainswords=Sticks http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/676018/8373680.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/676018/8373680.page GMT Chainswords=Sticks ppm on Autarchs (the only place you can BUY a chainsword in Eldar, everywhere else they are included in the profile)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/676018/8373687.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/676018/8373687.page GMT Chainswords=Sticks AP 5. To get the benefit of a chain sword/axe/whatever the user would have to keep the weapon in contact with the target longer than a simple strike in order to allow the chain to chew through the target's defenses. Not an easy task given that the target probably won't stand still while the chain weapon bites.

Imperial Chainswords are described as having monomolecular teeth, which implies they have he potential to chew through the toughest armor. Presumably the Chaos chainaxe and Eldar Chainswords are the same. What Orks lack in monomolecular construction they'd make up with weapon heft and bloody minded enthusiasm, so for simplicity it seems logical to treat all chain weapons as a single type, much like a USR.

Personally, I found both the Eldar chainsword and the Chaos chainaxe weapons to be a bit counterintuitive. There's no reason intrinsic to the weapon that would cause the effective impact to be greater (no increase in Strength).

There is a reason to give an intrinsic chain weapon AP value increase, but it should probably be stable across all chain weapons. I'd recommend AP 5, enough to beat most non-Marine line troopers, but not enough to punch Scions, Tau, 'Eavy Armored Orks, Space Marine Scouts and the like.

So... S as user, AP5, Rending. Cost increase would vary depending on troop stats, from maybe 3 for S3, 4 for S4 or somesuch. Make it a retroactive option for troopers who can be modeled with chain weapons, including Guard, Orks, Eldar, Marines, Autarchs and the like. I'd refund Chaos chainaxe users 3 points for the loss of S and AP, and Striking Scorpions 2 points.

That'd be my approach anyway.

My two cents.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/676018/8374103.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/676018/8374103.page GMT Chainswords=Sticks
Here's what you get - anyone with a chainsword has a chance to defeat artificer armor, mega armor, Riptide plating, etc. Also, an assault marine can now damage up to AV13 in close combat. Now the odds aren't all that spectacular, but consider multiplying those odds by the number of attacks that chainsword-wielding squads can get. Then ask a Tyranid player what happens when a pack of Genestealers or Raveners makes it into CC. Their whole schtick is based around S user AP5 Rending - given enough attacks, it adds up.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/676018/8374141.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/676018/8374141.page GMT Chainswords=Sticks AP 5-6 and have Shred. That way people can't just ignore it and it isn't to OP. I thing Shred would fit nicely both fluff-wise and game balance-wise.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/676018/8374270.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/676018/8374270.page GMT Chainswords=Sticks http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/676018/8374688.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/676018/8374688.page GMT Chainswords=Sticks
Anything with a 5+ or 6+ probably wouldn't have saved enough to make it matter anyways, and anything stronger wouldn't be affected at all. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/676018/8374700.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/676018/8374700.page GMT Chainswords=Sticks
 Bobthehero wrote:
Kinda like the Chainaxes having Shred.


Chainaxes don't have shred, they're AP4.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/676018/8377720.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/676018/8377720.page GMT Chainswords=Sticks http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/676018/8377847.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/676018/8377847.page GMT Chainswords=Sticks BRB) some sort of one-off rule for all of them. Perhaps, to represent the 'rip n tear' they improve AP of the chain weapon by 1 on to-wound/penetration rolls of 6. So, Imperial chainswords would be S user AP5, being AP4 on 6's. Chainaxes would go to AP3, and Eviscerators would go full derp, being AP1.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/676018/8379872.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/676018/8379872.page GMT Chainswords=Sticks http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/676018/8379901.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/676018/8379901.page GMT