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For the full battle report with all the turn maps and photos, see http://standwargaming.blogspot.co.uk/2016/01/battle-report-37-1500-pts-dark-angels.html

My army consisted of:
Interrogator-Chaplain- Bike, Auspex, Mace of Redemption
Librarian- Mastery level 2, Bike
10 Tactical Marines- Plasma gun, sergeant with meltabombs
Rhino
5 Tactical Marines- Plasma Cannon
5 Devastators- 3 Missile Launchers, Lascannon
Dreadnought- Assault Cannon, Heavy Flamer
Drop Pod
5 Black Knights- Huntsmaster has meltabombs
5 Ravenwing Bikers- 2 Grav guns, sergeant has meltabombs
4 Ravenwing Bikers- 2 Meltaguns, sergeant has meltabombs
Darkshroud- Assault Cannon
Whirlwind

My warlord trait gave me Feel no Pain when in range of an objective. My psychic powers were Mind Worm, Righteous Repugnance and Mind Wipe.

A different army from what I have been running with my Dark Angels (a lot fewer bikers than normal!). I chose the Interrogator-Chaplain to lead the force. Armed with a Mace of Redemption, he is a formidable force in combat and a huge boost for the Black Knights I was taking. He was backed up by a Librarian on a bike. With the lack of Tau psykers, I was hopeful that he would be able to achieve something in the game.
I then take a tactical squad in a rhino for some objective grabbing and a unit with a plasma cannon (great for taking on Tau suits). The Devastators were also picked to provide some high strength firepower to deal with any big Tau suits that Scott may bring.
I also wanted to try out a Dreadnought in a drop pod to add some punch to the army. A heavy flamer and assault cannon should make a mess of any fire warriors when it arrives. I added three unit of bikers; the almost-compulsory black knights and two units of bikers with grav guns and meltaguns for dealing with any Riptides. Lastly, I took a Whirlwind to target any Fire Warriors in the army.

Scott's army consisted of:
Coldstar Commander
Dark Strider
7 Strike Squad
9 Pathfinders
Drone Turret
Sniper drone team
Sniper drone team
2 Ramorra Drone Fighters
Y'vahra suit
Optimised Stealth Cadre
Ghostkeel
4 Stealth Suits
4 Stealth Suits

Scott's warlord trait gave him +1 to seize the initiative and re-rolls to reserve rolls.

A tough looking army for the Tau. I hate the Y'vahra with a passion, as a biker army enthusiast, it is the perfect counter to them (and most units in the game).
We rolled for mission and got Crusade with 3 objectives, deploying on the short board edges. I won the roll off for table edge and deployment. I chose the side with the landing pad for my devastators and tactical squad and some cover for my units.

I deployed the devastators and plasma cannon tacticals on the pad, with the Whirlwind deployed behind it. The bike units and Rhino deployed far forward, ready to engage with the enemy.

Scott countered with the Tau surrounding the ruins in his deployment zone.
Scott won the roll for Scout moves and moved some units around the deployment zone. I pushed the bikers forward, hoping to engage the Tau at short range with my bolters and plasma talons.






Scott then managed to seize the initiative. This was going to hurt.

TURN 1- TAU


The Y'vahra advanced on the Black Knights, its landing attack causing three wounds that the armour of the Knights saved .The Optimised Stealth Cadre moved up on the right flank. The Tau Commander used his flying move to cross the flank to the Y'vahra.

In the shooting phase, the sniper drones on the right fire at the meltagun bikers, slaying one despite their Jinking. The other sniper drones marker lighted the Black Knights, while firing at the Dark Shroud, but caused no damage.

The Stealth suits fired at the meltagun bikers, slaying all of the bikers thanks to the formation rules giving them +1BS and ignores cover. The Ghostkeel fired at the Librarian, wounding him once. The other unit of Stealth suits in the formation fired at the Grav gun bikers, killing two of the squad.

On the other flank, the Strike squad fired at the Black Knights, marker lighting them twice and wound them, but the Jinking bikers saved all 7 wounds. The Commander used the lights to remove the cover saves and killed two of the Black Knights. The Y'vahra then fired its flamers at the unit, killing another two of the elite bikers.

The Drone Turret fired at the Darkshroud, stripping a hull point from the skimmer despite its jinking (I failed a 2+ re-rollable cover save).
Scott then used his assault moves to move away from the Dark Angels. That was a rough turn for my Dark Angels. Getting seized upon was pretty brutal and I lost a lot of my bikers in the first turn. Even worse, I could not assault the Tau units as I had scouted.

TURN 1- DARK ANGELS


The drop pod with the Dreadnought arrived. My plan was to drop them beside the fire warriors and drone turret, but the pod scattered 11" towards the Ghostkeel.
The Ravenwing units moved up towards the Y'vahra to engage it, while the Rhino advanced towards the Tau.

At the end of the phase, the Ghostkeel intercepted the Dreadnought. Due to the formation special rules, it got to fire at the rear armour of the Dreadnought. The walker was penetrated twice, stunning and immobilising it, pretty much ruining my plan to take out the stealth suits.

In the psychic phase, the librarian attempted to cast Mind Wipe on the Strike squad, but failed to manifest the power.

The grav gun bikers fired at the Y'vahra, wounding it 6 times and Scott failed four saves to destroy the suit. He then reminded me that it was flying and after re-rolling, I caused a single wound which was saved.

(Note- after another Tau player mentioned it to me, I checked the rules for the Y'vahra. Even though it moves as a flying monstrous creature, it lands at the end of the movement phase, so I am not sure it needs 6's to hit it. As a result, my grav guns should have destroyed it in turn 1. This may have had a big impact on the rest of the game).

The plasma cannon tactical squad fired at the stealth suits, killing one. The Whirlwind fired at the Strike squad, killing three of the squad.
The remaining Black Knight fired at the Tau Commander, wounding him once despite snap firing. The Darkshroud also fired at the Commander, hitting with an amazing 3 of its 4 snap shots and wounding him again. The Commander failed his grounding test under the onslaught and took another wound, leaving him on one remaining.

The Devastators fired at the Ghostkeel, hitting with two of the missiles. I then proceeded to roll two 1's to wound and the Tau battlesuit was unharmed.
Not a great turn for me, I failed to do a lot of damage against the Tau and my Dreadnought was neutralised pretty effectively before it even got a chance to do anything. At this point, I was pretty much expecting the game to be over.

TURN 2- TAU
The Stealth suits at the rear advanced on the Dark Angels from the cover of the crater. Amazingly, two suits failed their dangerous terrain tests, then their armour saves and died. The Tau Commander moved towards the Librarian, while the Y'vahra moved to engage the grav gun bikers. The Ghostkeel and Stealth suits continued to advance on the landing pad.

In the shooting phase, the Fire Warriors and sniper drones marker lighted the grav gun bikers. The Y'vahra used the lights to remove their Jink saves and killed two of the bikers, leaving one remaining.

The Ghostkeel fired at the Dreadnought, finishing off the damaged walker.

The sniper drones, stealth suits and Tau Commander fired at the Black Knights, killing the last squad member and leaving the Chaplain alone. The other crisis suit unit fired at the Librarian and killed him.

The Strike squad fired at the Darkshroud, scoring a penetrating and glancing hit that was saved by the Jinking skimmer. They then assaulted the enemy vehicle, easily wiping it out with their EMP grenades.

The stealth suits used their assault moves to advance on the landing pad, but yet another suit succumbed to dangerous terrain and died.

TURN 2- DARK ANGELS
The Rhino advanced on the Strike squad, the tactical squad disembarking to engage as the Interrogator-Chaplain and lone biker retreated to engage the Y'vahra.

In the shooting phase, the drop pod fired at the nearby Tau Commander. The storm bolter caused one wound which succeeded in slaying the Tau warrior.
The Plasma cannon targeted the stealth suits, killing another of one of the squad. The Devastators fired at the Y'vahra, wounding it twice, but its armour saved it from harm. The lone grav biker fired at it, getting two wounds past its invulnerable save and leaving it on 2.

The Whirlwind fired at the Fire Warriors, but scattered off target and caused no damage. The Tactical squad fired at the Strike squad in front of them, hitting 10 times with their bolters. I then managed to only wound twice, despite only needing a 3+ to wound. Both shots managed to kill members of the Strike squad though.

The lone biker and Chaplain assaulted the Y'vahra, the lone biker easily dying to the overwatch fire of the mighty suit. The Interrogator-Chaplain made it in to combat and succeeded in wounding it once, leaving it on a single wound. He suffered no damage in return.

A better turn for me. I had almost dealt with the Y'vahra, but my tactical squad had performed pitifully against the Strike squad thanks to some awful rolling.

TURN 3- TAU
The Y'vahra used its Nova Reactor to escape from combat. I did not know it could do this. Damn! I thought I had it!

The Ghostkeel and Stealth suits moved up on the objective and into cover. The Ramorra fighters arrived from reserve, moving to engage the tactical marines.
The fire warriors marker lighted the Rhino, then fired their rifles at it in support of the Turret Drone, glancing the vehicle once.

The Strike squad fired at the tactical squad in front of them, killing two. The Ramorras added their firepower to the attack, killing another two of the marines. The unit passed their morale check.

The sniper drones fired at the Chaplain, wounding him once. The stealth suits also targeted the Dark Angels' warlord, wounding him again. The lone stealth suit fired at the tactical squad on the landing pad, killing one of the squad.

Finally, the Ghostkeel fired at the Devastators, killing two of the squad. They passed their morale check and kept fighting.

TURN 3- DARK ANGELS
The Rhino moved towards the central objective, but managed to immobilise itself on a crater on the way. The Interrogator-Chaplain moved to engage the crisis suits in the centre of the board, while the tactical squad advanced on the Strike squad.

The plasma cannon squad opened fire on the Ghostkeel. The plasma cannon wounded it once, but its cover save protected it from harm. The bolters of the squad managed to wound the battlesuit twice. The Devastators fired at the Ghostkeel, taking another wound from the mighty suit.

The Tactical squad fired at the Strike squad. Their bolters wiping out the whole squad. The Whirlwind fired at the Fire Warriors, killing three of the squad with its missiles. The Rhino fired at the unit and managed to kill another one.

The Chaplain fired at the stealth suits and managed to bring one of them down. He then assaulted the unit. The overwatch fire wounded the Interrogator-Chaplain and he failed his armour save. Fortunately, his warlord trait now gave him Feel no Pain and he passed the save. He crashed into the final suit, only hitting once with his 5 attacks, but succeeded in killing the last member of the squad.

TURN 4- TAU
The Y'vhara moved back onto the table, moving up in front of the tactical squad. The Ramorras moved to the centre of the board to engage the Chaplain.
The Ghostkeel opened fire on the Devastators, wiping the squad out. The last Stealth suit fired at the tactical marines, but missed them.

The Ramorras fired at the Interrogator-Chaplain, wounding him 9 times and finally killing him. The Y'vahra fired at the tactical squad, easily wiping them out with its flamers.

TURN 4- DARK ANGELS
With very little left, I tried to salvage some points from the game. The tactical marines fired at the stealth suit, killing the last member of the squad and taking him off the objective.

The Whirlwind fired at the Fire Warriors, but once again missed his target and they were left unharmed. With that, the game ended.

VICTORY POINTS:
Tau- 6 (1 objective and 3 secondary)
Dark Angels- 1 (slay the warlord)

AFTER-BATTLE THOUGHTS
That was a pretty brutal game for my Dark Angels, thanks to Scott for a very tough match.

When we originally organised the game, Scott said he was trying an experimental army. I foolishly read this as taking a "weak" army, so modified my Dark Angels to an all comers-type force. Once my grav guns and black knights were gone, there was not too much left that could effectively deal with the larger battle suits.

Getting seized on was probably the die roll that helped decide the game. I only found out that he had +1 to seize after I had performed my Scout moves, so had deployed aggressively figuring I would have the first turn. My plan was to deal with the Y'vahra with my Black Knights, then take on the other units in combat from turn 2. That plan fell apart pretty quickly after Scott's first turn and the game was pretty much over with from turn 1.

Despite that, the army did ok. Had I taken out the Y'vahra on turn 1 (which I probably should have done now that I have checked the rules), it would have freed up the Interrogator-Chaplain and grav bikers to target the Strike squad and Fire Warriors. I doubt I could have won, but may have done a lot more damage than I did.

My luck was pretty poor throughout the game. The Drop pod scattering pretty much meant the death of the Dreadnought. That Tau formation is pretty powerful, allowing them to shoot the rear armour of any vehicle in range. The tactical squad also performed poorly against the Strike squad, failing to wound with 80% of their hits in turn 3. Had my Rhino not immobilised itself, it may have been able to contest some objectives, as Scott was having real trouble harming it with his fire warriors and strike squad.

Scott had some poor luck too. His Commander died quick easily despite having the protection of flying and his crisis suits kept killing themselves on difficult terrain.

Maybe I need to institute a no Forge World policy for Tau to get rid of that stupid Y'vhara........
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/676524/8382288.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/676524/8382288.page GMT Battle Report 37- 1500 pts Dark Angels vs Tau http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/676524/8382625.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/676524/8382625.page GMT Battle Report 37- 1500 pts Dark Angels vs Tau
 Fishboy wrote:
How did the cold star not die from the grounding wound. It is instant death for him and the reason I won't take one.


That was a mistake, I only found out later that he should have died. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/676524/8382639.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/676524/8382639.page GMT Battle Report 37- 1500 pts Dark Angels vs Tau http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/676524/8382753.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/676524/8382753.page GMT Re:Battle Report 37- 1500 pts Dark Angels vs Tau MC isn't hit with snap shots. You should have killed it that turn. Is it a jump MC? I don't know the actual rules for it, but remember fighting on once, and NOT needing snap shots to hit.

Getting seized on always hurts, made more so by your opponent being Tau. That optimized stealth cadre is brutal.

Looks like you did what you could, and your dice let you down a bit. I have had that sort of luck lately. Shooting 40 twin-linked shots at a FMC, even hitting on 6's and not hitting AT ALL. Rough day for sure.

Good try man, maybe ask for a rematch? lol]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/676524/8383039.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/676524/8383039.page GMT Battle Report 37- 1500 pts Dark Angels vs Tau Osc bonus doesn't work on in interception, it's only in your shooting.


I have a feeling your friend miss uses his tau rules a bit:(]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/676524/8383179.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/676524/8383179.page GMT Battle Report 37- 1500 pts Dark Angels vs Tau http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/676524/8383649.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/676524/8383649.page GMT Battle Report 37- 1500 pts Dark Angels vs Tau
 Dozer Blades wrote:
How do you think RWSF would have fared against this Tau army... any better ?


I think the Ravenwing Strike Force would have worked better. I have more bike units in my army and a lot more firepower with the Landspeeders. Even though I lost a lot of bikes in the first turn, I would have had many more units to do some damage and eventually get in to combat where the Tau are significantly weaker. I thought that I would give them a break though and try some Greenwing for a change.


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 Castellan Alaric wrote:
Jet pack MC isn't hit with snap shots. You should have killed it that turn. Is it a jump MC? I don't know the actual rules for it, but remember fighting on once, and NOT needing snap shots to hit.

Getting seized on always hurts, made more so by your opponent being Tau. That optimized stealth cadre is brutal.

Looks like you did what you could, and your dice let you down a bit. I have had that sort of luck lately. Shooting 40 twin-linked shots at a FMC, even hitting on 6's and not hitting AT ALL. Rough day for sure.

Good try man, maybe ask for a rematch? lol


I imagine we will definitely have a rematch at some point. Even then, I think I will focus all my efforts on the Y'vahra. Don't care if I lose the game, as long as that bloody thing goes down!


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arthorn wrote:
Yvahara jumps so he lands,so no snap fire.Not sure if he can use it to escape? Never see anyone use. You saw the rule?
Osc bonus doesn't work on in interception, it's only in your shooting.


I have a feeling your friend miss uses his tau rules a bit:(


I didn't realise about the non snap fire rule for it landing, an easy mistake to make in the context of the rules, but I think it might have made a big difference.
The escape rules were shown to me and I checked them out after. It is all legit and happens on a 3+. On a 1 or 2 it takes a wound with no saves allowed, so it could potentially have finished it off as it was on one wound. Unfortunately, the way my luck was going, it did not die.

I didn't know about the OSC bonus only applying in the shooting phase. Scott did saw he was taking an experimental list and it was the first time he had tried many things (including the OSC), so a few errors are forgivable if a little annoying. I'll know for next time though.


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bibotot wrote:
Where did you get tactical maps like that? I want to try as well.


The maps use an online program called Battle Chronicler http://battlechronicler.com/ It's free to download. I think it adds a lot to the battle report, giving a nice overview of what is happening that photos can sometimes miss out. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/676524/8383741.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/676524/8383741.page GMT Battle Report 37- 1500 pts Dark Angels vs Tau OP ?

I never like using tactical Marines anymore as they are such under performing now.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/676524/8384026.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/676524/8384026.page GMT Battle Report 37- 1500 pts Dark Angels vs Tau
 Dozer Blades wrote:
Do you think the Y'vahra is OP ?

I never like using tactical Marines anymore as they are such under performing now.


I'm not too sure. I think it may be undercosted for its abilities.

I dislike it being able to fire the flamer twice if it overcharged. Although it has Gets Hot, in combination with a 2+ save, it only has about a 3% chance of ever taking a wound from overcharging, so there is very little downside to it.
I also dislike that it can escape from combat, but then again, I play White Scars and Ravenwing (who have Hit and Run) and don't take wounds if I fail a Hit and Run test, unlike the Y'vahra.

Maybe I am just annoyed that I love running Bike armies and it is kind of the perfect counter to these (as is much of the Tau army).

It has a great deal of mobility and lots of firepower, but is actually pretty easy to take down with marines. If I had been able to take normal shots instead of incorrectly snap firing, I would have killed it with two grav guns.

I like tactical marines as they are the iconic Space Marine unit, but they rarely perform well in games. I think that many of my battle reports or tournament battle reports have a paragraph lamenting my tactical marines either constantly failing to hit with meltaguns or charging into combat and achieving next to nothing. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/676524/8384852.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/676524/8384852.page GMT Battle Report 37- 1500 pts Dark Angels vs Tau LST.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/676524/8384996.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/676524/8384996.page GMT