<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "Vanguard Vets for C:SM"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/69.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Vanguard Vets for C:SM LC/PF guys, but am kind of at a loss beyond that. I was thinking of some power sword/power axe combos as well. Points aren't really an issue, I'm just trying to have fun with them while still being somewhat competitive. Thanks for any help. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/679455/8442088.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/679455/8442088.page GMT Vanguard Vets for C:SM VVs still walk the tightrope about how many points you sink into them, vs. how much you get out.

A 5ppm power weapons it seems silly not to give everyone one. Previously, I’d advocate only a scant handful, to keep points down. But for points invested to killing power, these are a good buy. the only reason to hold back is if you want to find the magic sweet spot where you maim a unit on the charge, but stick in CC to avoid being shot at while finishing things up on your opponent’s turn. You then can charge some fresh meat on your next turn.

You want 2-3 stormshields. Keep these between the squad and plasma.

What does your list need help killing? Odds are you are going to want both AP2 and 3. That’s probably axes and swords. LCs are an option. A hidden fist can be nice to have, but they can get pricy. Tossing a few melta bombs in the squad will often be useful.

From a purely practical POV, I’d try to keep the number of different weapons down. 2 options, maybe with the sarge standing alone. When I put my VVs together, I wanted to include all sorts of toys. After all, these are the cream of the chapter’s close combat marines, given open access to the armory. So when I put all 10 of them on the table, I had axes, swords, claws, spears, mauls, and chainswords swinging around in a giant mess of a squad. The mechanics of figuring out who was still alive, who needed to pile in, what dice to roll, etc was a massive PITA.

I can’t recommend LC/PF for a 1W model. While technically a very nice combo, for the points it costs, I’d keep it on captains. It does make a a very flexible blender though.

Axe/sword is another good combo. Gives you flexibility to use what you need, and on VV not prohibitively expensive. I’d personally mix some marines with swords/pistols, and some with axe/pistols, rather then doubling up. But this is not so overpriced that it’s totally going to sink the squad. Should look awesome as well.

Taking what you say you want to build a a guide, I’d put together a 5 man squad like this:
PF/LC sarge
PF/SS
LC/SS
2x axe/sword

As a note, when I built my JP captain, I wanted the fist/claw blender, but went for the extra 5 points to upgrade the fist to a TH. Not because I think it’s worth it, but for looks.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/679455/8442453.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/679455/8442453.page GMT Vanguard Vets for C:SM lc dudes. I may do a ss/PA model to prevent losing a point sink in battle as well. At least I'll have alternatives to a mix and match as needed]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/679455/8442511.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/679455/8442511.page GMT Vanguard Vets for C:SM
For what it’s worth, my “shelf” deployment is LC/SS sarge, 2xAxe/SS, PSw/BP, PSp/BP, and then 5xBP/CCW guys in the back. Should be a pair of melta bombs in there as well. The were put together under the last codex, when the power weapons were more expensive. Getting some more put together and magnetized is on my list of things to do, now that they are cheeper.


]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/679455/8442542.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/679455/8442542.page GMT Vanguard Vets for C:SM BP/PS and BP/PA, then the sarge with dual lightning claws and melta bombs (throw a krak grenade before you charge). True, not much AP2, but the axes are much cheaper than the fists. If I need more power, I'll put a Captain or Chaplain with them.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/679455/8442573.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/679455/8442573.page GMT Vanguard Vets for C:SM
jade_angel wrote:
I generally run two each with BP/PS and BP/PA, then the sarge with dual lightning claws and melta bombs (throw a krak grenade before you charge). True, not much AP2, but the axes are much cheaper than the fists. If I need more power, I'll put a Captain or Chaplain with them.


Sounds like a decent plan. My one suggestion would be to move the MBs off the sarge and onto a normal vet. That way if the sarge is singled out early, the bomb is safe. Also useful if you want to multi charge a unit and a tank. I’ve done things like plow into a squad that just hopped out of their rhino. One or two guys (who might not have been able to reach the squad anyway) take some time out to blow up the transport, while the bulk of the squad blenders the guys who just got out.

You don’t normally have the option to put MBs on the rank and file. It’s a good thing to do when you can.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/679455/8442593.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/679455/8442593.page GMT