http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/16.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net After gettin beaten up by necrons 15 to 5 this weekend as usual i ve decided to not take this anylonger. So here are my thoughts on this topic. Feel free to comment at anytime.

First thing Orks die like flies these days which is very unlikely for orks. Give the old Cyborg body with its 5+ invu back. make it available for every model with the boy statline too.
2nd orks shoot like SH!?T so make gitfinda available for everyone.
3rd orks run way like whimps. So make them fearless again for mobs oft 10+ models.
But keep mob chart for units und er 10 models to strenghten small squads of specialists, deffcopters and bikers.
Here my alternative mob rule chart.

1 same as before so nothing.
2-3 take d6 s4 ap- Hits and pass
4-5 take 2d6 s4 ap- Hits and pass
6 don t pass morale check

This would give ork players a fairly tough standart unit ready to deal with heavy artillery and camping gunlines.
For 20 Pointe a model you get a boy with BS 3, 4+ save and 5+ invu who is fearless mostly all the time add an painboy and you geht 5+ fnp too.
For a 30 boy mob it would be 600 points but i think thats fair for what havock they could do in a battle. Field two of those mobs in a 1500 Pointe game and your enemy will panic in fear wat hing them closing in. Or save 150 Points on gitfindaz and field three ard mobs with painboys. Vor lootas with BS 3 and riptides or bloodthirsters will go DOWN. Yeah i think my rule changes would be pretty fair not op for the prince and
Healthfully balancing the ÖRK armies againts shooty gitz.

2nd Warlord traits which should habe a game changing effect into them are pretty much useless in 7th edition
So here are my thoughts for alterations in this subject:

#1 with orks beeing fearless warlord trait 1 become obsolete so:
*all models with ere we go special rule gain +1 to their weapon skill in the round waagh was called

#2 obsolete too so:
* all models in 12 inch range of the war boss add 1 to their movement and charging distance

#3 keep

#4 make it apply to whole unit because useless almost everygame because oft lucky stick

#5 same

#6 toughness +1 almost useless because of boss put in megaarmour with power claw]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/681104/8472321.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/681104/8472321.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/681104/8474055.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/681104/8474055.page GMT Ld 10, rather than Fearless, only because the proliferation of Fearless and ATSKNF has made Fear-based effects mostly useless, but otherwise, yeah.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/681104/8474121.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/681104/8474121.page GMT
Making mob rule have a 1/3 chance of doing 2D6 instead of D6 hits is the opposite of an improvement. If anything, make it D3/D6.

I'd be ok with counting LD based on the unit - but instead of MODELS, count WOUNDS, imo. This makes it a useful rule for things like deffkoptas and nobz.

make mob rule affect fear.

As for cyborks.......giving them to meganobz, nobz, warbossi, I'm all for, but giving them to boyz was and would be a waste.

Wouldn't expect any changes anytime soon though - it took them almost 2 years to crap out the new ghaz supplement, so I expect that's our lot for the foreseeable future. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/681104/8474136.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/681104/8474136.page GMT BS 2 all the time including Snap Shots. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/681104/8474168.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/681104/8474168.page GMT 2d6 Hits, because otherwise they would flee at a 40% Chance. A three unit mob cannot even afford one casualty without a morale check. To count the wounds wouldn t help much because it s the same. I think it s fair to take some more wounds in respect of allunits above 10 models beeing fearless.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/681104/8474323.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/681104/8474323.page GMT Ld on wounds in a unit (especially for nobz)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/681104/8474541.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/681104/8474541.page GMT LD for each model above the minimum squad size. So a 10 strong Boyz mob would have LD7, an 11 strong has 8, a 12 has 9 and 13+ has 10. Nobs start at 3, so a 5 strong mob would have leadership 9. 3 Nobs who are mates might think to book it once in a while bit as every british working class man knows, if you're giving the big bollocks and you got 5 or 6 of the lads watching you're not backing down.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/681104/8484059.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/681104/8484059.page GMT