disdamn wrote:
Read the first isenhorn trilogy there's a group that learns some of the language of the warp. It wouldn't surprise me of demon true names were in the language referred to in one of those books. The language made you incredibly powerful. Assuming you could survive speaking the words.

 Furyou Miko wrote:

 disdamn wrote:
Read the first isenhorn trilogy there's a group that learns some of the language of the warp. It wouldn't surprise me of demon true names were in the language referred to in one of those books. The language made you incredibly powerful. Assuming you could survive speaking the words.

The Enuncia guys were in Ravenor, I don't remember anyone using it in Eisenhorn...

 Warpig1815 wrote:
I'm not sure about mortals having a special true name when they become a Daemon Prince. Reading 'Wrath of Iron', the Iron Hands purge a hive in which a Daemon Prince is coming across via a Warp Portal. Right at the conclusion a Librarian goes up against the Daemon Prince which is trying to break into the hive. The point is, although the Librarian was party to secret lore and knew many of the names of many of the traitors from the Legions, but he didn't know the name of this Prince, so he knew he couldn't fully destroy it by saying it's name. The Daemon then slays the Librarian, but taunts it by announcing that its name was in fact Julius Kaesoran. The Librarian then casts his mind into the warp-portal to destroy it. The Daemon Prince is left stranded on the wrong side and comes up against the Clan Commander, who doesn't recognise the name and can't ask the now-dead Librarian and is forced to slay the Prince by conventional means.

The implication of this is, because Daemon Prince taunted the Librarian as he was dying, and because the Commander failed to learn or recognise the name we can assume that Julius Kaesoran is it's true name rather than any other unspoken name. At least that's what I took from it - I could be wrong.

 KharnsRightHand wrote:

 Warpig1815 wrote:
I'm not sure about mortals having a special true name when they become a Daemon Prince. Reading 'Wrath of Iron', the Iron Hands purge a hive in which a Daemon Prince is coming across via a Warp Portal. Right at the conclusion a Librarian goes up against the Daemon Prince which is trying to break into the hive. The point is, although the Librarian was party to secret lore and knew many of the names of many of the traitors from the Legions, but he didn't know the name of this Prince, so he knew he couldn't fully destroy it by saying it's name. The Daemon then slays the Librarian, but taunts it by announcing that its name was in fact Julius Kaesoran. The Librarian then casts his mind into the warp-portal to destroy it. The Daemon Prince is left stranded on the wrong side and comes up against the Clan Commander, who doesn't recognise the name and can't ask the now-dead Librarian and is forced to slay the Prince by conventional means.

The implication of this is, because Daemon Prince taunted the Librarian as he was dying, and because the Commander failed to learn or recognise the name we can assume that Julius Kaesoran is it's true name rather than any other unspoken name. At least that's what I took from it - I could be wrong.

Which is relevant to the question posed, by the way, because Julius Kaesoran was the Captain of the 1st company of the Emperor's Children, so this implies his true name was the name he had as a mortal.

 dusara217 wrote:
So, what would a mortal gain, exactly, by learning his true name?

 dusara217 wrote:
So, what would a mortal gain, exactly, by learning his true name? Would he just suddenly have ungodly levels of self control and discipline, or would he actually be able to directly control the way that his soul develops, and change the nature of his being?

 Warpig1815 wrote:

 KharnsRightHand wrote:

 Warpig1815 wrote:
I'm not sure about mortals having a special true name when they become a Daemon Prince. Reading 'Wrath of Iron', the Iron Hands purge a hive in which a Daemon Prince is coming across via a Warp Portal. Right at the conclusion a Librarian goes up against the Daemon Prince which is trying to break into the hive. The point is, although the Librarian was party to secret lore and knew many of the names of many of the traitors from the Legions, but he didn't know the name of this Prince, so he knew he couldn't fully destroy it by saying it's name. The Daemon then slays the Librarian, but taunts it by announcing that its name was in fact Julius Kaesoran. The Librarian then casts his mind into the warp-portal to destroy it. The Daemon Prince is left stranded on the wrong side and comes up against the Clan Commander, who doesn't recognise the name and can't ask the now-dead Librarian and is forced to slay the Prince by conventional means.

The implication of this is, because Daemon Prince taunted the Librarian as he was dying, and because the Commander failed to learn or recognise the name we can assume that Julius Kaesoran is it's true name rather than any other unspoken name. At least that's what I took from it - I could be wrong.

Which is relevant to the question posed, by the way, because Julius Kaesoran was the Captain of the 1st company of the Emperor's Children, so this implies his true name was the name he had as a mortal.

That's kinda why I posted it... Because tikhunt had said:

tikhunt wrote:So to answer your question, he would still be called Jeremy but that wouldn't be his true name, it wasn't to begin with.

 dusara217 wrote:
So, what would a mortal gain, exactly, by learning his true name? Would he just suddenly have ungodly levels of self control and discipline, or would he actually be able to directly control the way that his soul develops, and change the nature of his being?

 Furyou Miko wrote:

 dusara217 wrote:
So, what would a mortal gain, exactly, by learning his true name? Would he just suddenly have ungodly levels of self control and discipline, or would he actually be able to directly control the way that his soul develops, and change the nature of his being?

He'd potentially gain resilience to other people trying to manipulate him psionically. He's also be in the position of being able to give it to people, which may not be such a good thing.

 Deadshot wrote:
Most Daemon Princes take pseudonames upon acension to hide this true name. In the case of Daemon Primarchs, their true name is that which the Emperor originally intended to name them.

 JustALittleOrkish wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:
Most Daemon Princes take pseudonames upon acension to hide this true name. In the case of Daemon Primarchs, their true name is that which the Emperor originally intended to name them.

Surely Konrad Curze got his name from the Big E? Nobody on Nostramo knew him as anything but Night Haunter. So if he had become a Daemon Primarch everyone would have known his true name straight up?

 the Signless wrote:
I was wondering is it just necessary to speak a daemon's true name to have power over it or do you have to know that the name belongs to the daemon? For example, if I spent years rattling off a spell to summon a daemon systematically going over combinations of syllables in place of its name, would that ever work?

locarno24 wrote:
Actually, something not a million miles away from that has been tried in a Black Library novel.