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I'd like to see vehicles get an armour save of sorts against glancing hits ie 14 av gets a 2+, 13 gets a 3+, 12 gets a 4+, 11 gets a 5+, and 10 gets a 6+. A penetrating hit would still be the same as before with no saves of any kind (other then cover I suppose) 

I think that this would really help against vehicles getting glanced to death, while still not making them able to shrug off everything like in 5th. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/681931/8488632.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/681931/8488632.page GMT HYMP, Deffguns, most AA guns) still just as effective against skimmers/flyers forcing them to jink but less effective at glancing down other vehicles. The no AP spam guns like scatter lasers, gauss, tesla, ranged haywire, etc becoming much less effective against vehicles. Close combat wouldn't be impacted due to hitting rear armor on everything except walkers (who need a huge boost). Grav would still do its thing on 6s but personally I would turn grav to vehicle stunned or make "immobilized" into engine damaged which halves movement permanently but that is another issue entirely. Of course this is a very broad stroke change so subtle changes might be needed for certain anti vehicle weapons to keep them relevant.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/681931/8488662.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/681931/8488662.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/681931/8488706.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/681931/8488706.page GMT MCs.

Done.

In detail, you remove the unit type MC and Vehicle, replaced by some other word...lets call it a Construct. Now you add two additional USRs; Mechanical and Biological. You assign those to each Construct based on what they are; Nids and other creatures like the DE monstrosities become Biological, while Riptides, DreadKnights, and tanks all become Mechanical.

Both of the USRs simply denote what weapon types affect them more. Poison, for example, would only have an effect on Biological Constructs, while Armourbane and Melta would only affect those with the Mechanical USR.

The advantages of turning all vehicles into MCs are many. Its easier to balance using one mechanic, its easier to remember and learn, its fluffier (why is poison hurting a Riptide?) and offers more options for vehicles. Now when you design a vehicle, its durability can be determined by a combination of T, Sv, and W, instead of just AV and HP. A Leman Russ can now be something like T9/3+/5W...or whatever. Point is, you have tonnes of options for making a vehicle the exact kind of durable you want it to be.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/681931/8488719.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/681931/8488719.page GMT
Weapons which now score automatic glances (Gauss, Graviton and Haywire, I'm looking at you) would instead remove a hull point, usual saves apply if any.

Special rules which downgrade a penetrating hit to a glancing hit just remove the effects of the penetration table.

Vehicles suddenly become much more survivable. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/681931/8488776.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/681931/8488776.page GMT