<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "[1000] - Grey Knights - Newcomer to GK"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/14.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net [1000] - Grey Knights - Newcomer to GK I'm looking to start GK. I'm a little uncertain if my tactics will work so I turn to ya'll for guidance. On a side note, I have 115pts left that I'm unsure how to spend. Any assistance will be much appreciated.

Librarian Lv.3 with Damina Liber = 160
SS 5 man w/ Psilencer in Razorback with Las/Plas = 195
SS 5 man w/ Psilencer in Razorback with Las/Plas = 195
Terminator Squad = 165 (Libby goes here)
Dreadknight w/ Greatsword & Gatling Psilencer = 170

So current thoughts are sending the SS squads & Termies to objectives & using the Dreadknight as usual. Not sure if this will work as part of why I'm here. Please remember I do have that 115pts left.
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Razorbacks are iffy. I think I'd rather deep strike if I want my Strike Squads somewhere. Not sure what you could do with the freed up points besides give your terminators falchions and a hammer (which you should strive to do)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/682816/8505584.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/682816/8505584.page GMT [1000] - Grey Knights - Newcomer to GK ss are average as best. if you want to use them I suggest ds like rihgu said.

Only transport you would need is a rhino for purifiers if you don't ally drop pods ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/682816/8505907.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/682816/8505907.page GMT Re:[1000] - Grey Knights - Newcomer to GK
Librarian Lv.3 with Damina Liber, Meltabomb, & Digital Weapon = 175
Terminator Squad with Psycannon, 3 Falcions, Melta bomb & a Hammer= 212
Terminator Squad with Psycannon, 3 Falcions, Melta bomb & a Hammer= 212
Terminator Squad with Psycannon, 3 Falcions, Melta bomb & a Hammer= 212
Dreadknight w/ Greatsword, Heavy Incinerator & Gatling Psilencer =190

I had about 30 pts left hence the Melta Bombs & the Digital Weapon. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/682816/8506190.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/682816/8506190.page GMT [1000] - Grey Knights - Newcomer to GK GK army. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/682816/8506404.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/682816/8506404.page GMT [1000] - Grey Knights - Newcomer to GK http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/682816/8506511.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/682816/8506511.page GMT Re:[1000] - Grey Knights - Newcomer to GK SM also give you access to the anti meta sicarian battle tank and well prices objective secured bike troops with grav guns. Without the marine alies it is an uphill fight against many teams. As for fun games terminators are the way to go unless you are saving points. Its always fun to out a flamer on a SS and deep strike them right next to the enemy. Try to pull that fire of the dreads. If your going to run the razorbacks i would still hold the Ss in reserve for deep strike. And i wouldn't run the psilancers. They are terrible as anything else other then a 1 of on a dread knight if you are running 3+ it cant hurt anything important.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/682816/8506522.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/682816/8506522.page GMT Re:[1000] - Grey Knights - Newcomer to GK
Nemesis Strike Force

Librarian lvl 3 - halberd and storm bolter melta bombs = 140

Terminator Squad (5) - 1 hammer 4 swords 1 psycannon - 195

Purifier Squad (10 - combat squadded in rhino) - 7 swords 1 hammer 2 incinerators melta bombs, rhino transport - 320

Interceptor squad (5) - halberd 3 falchions 1 incinerator melta bombs - 164

Dreadknight - Incinerator dual fists - 180

Total is 999, it got a good number of boots on the ground with some decent mobility, which are the 2 things I seem to struggle with most running grey knights.
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I've found the two units that do the most work in my GK lists are Purifiers and Dreadknights.

Dreadknights pull a lot of fire, so I try to field them in pairs when I can. The absolute rule for Dreads is to bring the Greatsword. 10 Points for Master-Crafted and Force over the stock fists and still getting to swing at normal initiative over the 5 point Hammer is a no brainer. In larger point lists, when I field a pair of them, I set one up with an Incinerator/Psilencer and one up with an Incinerator/Psycannon. I like having the Force Psilencer to handle large wound enemies, it's a 12 shot, str 4 AP - weapon that will get resisted more often than not, but being that it is force, you only need 1 unsaved wound to drop a high wound baddy. Dreadknights are good at shooting, but really seem to want to be in Melee with the 3 attacks, force greatsword (with Mastercraft), plenty of wounds and good saves, they'll wipe entire squads pretty easy, so either keep them in Deepstrike Reserve in a Nemesis Formation (Rights of Teleporation FTW) or field them turn 1 with a teleporter for a cross-board turn 1 assault that will make Biker Armies jealous.

5 Purifiers in a Rhino are my bread and butter. A pair of Psycannons @ Str 7 Salvo 2/4, 24" range give them a lot of mid-ranged firepower that can pop low armor vehicles or big tough creatures reliably. The metal box gets them to and from combat safely and the ability to pop Cleansing Flame witchfire from the fireports give you all sorts of cannon fodder control. The fact I like throwing a Daemon Hammer on the squad leader and keeping the rest with swords gives you the option to hit something hard when you need it, but best case scenario, they never get out of the Rhino. The nice ruling on transport destruction means, they'll probably pass any sort of explosion damage save, then get a free 6" movement from Emergency Disembarkation in order to line up that next round Cleansing Flame for maximum effect.

I wouldn't touch Interceptor squads at all and Purgation Squads are nice, only if you're loading them in a drop pod or can bring a Stormraven to drop them off EXACTLY where you need them.

Termies want to be in melee, so bring Halberds and Hammers. The relentless rule on Terminator armor means a Psycannon isn't a bad choice, but I like to throw a flamer on them, personally.

Pure GK lists will always have issues with objective cap'ing, you just need to accept it. Ally'ing with Spacewolves or Blood Angels is nice for the Drop Pods since they count as scoring units and you can just drop them on objectives (with or without Purgation/Space Marines inside).

I think at 1000 points, your Libby is too expensive, I'd drop him down to lvl 2 without the Melta or Bolter and stick with the Staff. Once you get to 1500+ points it might make sense to go lvl 3 and kit him out for combat, but more likely than not, your libby will just roll with your Termy squad for buffing purposes and to give your Purifiers more dice to throw at Cleansing Flames.

Just my $0.02]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/682816/8510706.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/682816/8510706.page GMT [1000] - Grey Knights - Newcomer to GK
 Rommel013 wrote:

The absolute rule for Dreads is to bring the Greatsword. 10 Points for Master-Crafted and Force over the stock fists and still getting to swing at normal initiative over the 5 point Hammer is a no brainer.

The absolute rule for Dreads is to bring the Personal Teleporter. ESPECIALLY if you plan on bringing a melee weapon. You don't want to be stuck moving at 6" with as short of a range as Dreadknights have. Also, MCs ignore the Unwieldy rule, so no matter what weapon you bring, you're swinging at initative.


5 Purifiers in a Rhino are my bread and butter. A pair of Psycannons @ Str 7 Salvo 2/4, 24" range give them a lot of mid-ranged firepower that can pop low armor vehicles or big tough creatures reliably.

If you're moving in the Rhino (which you likely need to do), you're only shooting 2 shots at 12" per psycannon. Purifiers shine when you bring allied drop pods for them. That lands you in the middle of the mess with 2 combat squads, and then you fire 8 psycannon shots and 2 novas.


I wouldn't touch Interceptor squads at all and Purgation Squads are nice, only if you're loading them in a drop pod or can bring a Stormraven to drop them off EXACTLY where you need them.

Barring drop pods for your Purifiers, Interceptors are the best Power Armored Grey Knights. They actually have the movement to make use of the Grey Knights' short range fire power.


Termies want to be in melee, so bring Halberds and Hammers. The relentless rule on Terminator armor means a Psycannon isn't a bad choice, but I like to throw a flamer on them, personally.

Psycannons are nearly always better than incinerators on Terminators. Incinerators are what you want to give your Power Armored guys. Let Terminators bring the 4 shot S7 AP4 Rending guns with 24" range 90% of the time.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/682816/8512320.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/682816/8512320.page GMT [1000] - Grey Knights - Newcomer to GK
Rihgu wrote:
I don't mean to put you on blast, Rommel013, but I disagree with a few things you said.


Disagreement is the basis of any good, civil exchange of ideas, no worries bud.
Rihgu wrote:

 Rommel013 wrote:

The absolute rule for Dreads is to bring the Greatsword. 10 Points for Master-Crafted and Force over the stock fists and still getting to swing at normal initiative over the 5 point Hammer is a no brainer.

The absolute rule for Dreads is to bring the Personal Teleporter. ESPECIALLY if you plan on bringing a melee weapon. You don't want to be stuck moving at 6" with as short of a range as Dreadknights have. Also, MCs ignore the Unwieldy rule, so no matter what weapon you bring, you're swinging at initative.


I always forget MCs ignore Unwieldy, good call. I still think the 5 points for Master-Craft makes Greatsword worth it. I also agree with Personal Teleporters (as I mentioned later in that paragraph)


Rihgu wrote:

 Rommel013 wrote:


5 Purifiers in a Rhino are my bread and butter. A pair of Psycannons @ Str 7 Salvo 2/4, 24" range give them a lot of mid-ranged firepower that can pop low armor vehicles or big tough creatures reliably.

If you're moving in the Rhino (which you likely need to do), you're only shooting 2 shots at 12" per psycannon. Purifiers shine when you bring allied drop pods for them. That lands you in the middle of the mess with 2 combat squads, and then you fire 8 psycannon shots and 2 novas.


I mentioned Allied Drop pods for Purgation Squads later and agree they're nice, but at 1000 points - unless we're going unbound - it makes it hard to justify, in my humble opinion. I've found the 3+ armor save in the 5 man squad with 2 special weapon guys are a little fragile, hence why I bring them in a Rhino, in order to get them to where they need to be - if enroute they can fire 4 shots of 12" STR 7, great, but I see Purifiers as a swing positions unit that can handle large, heavy toughness/armor units with their Psycannons, in which case they're not mobile on foot or in a vehicle and the Rhino gets them a little extra protection at 35 points or they're needed for blob control and are used for Cleansing Flame, in which case the 12" vehicle flat out/smoke screen + armor is better. Also, depending on your interpretations of Combat Squading and Cleansing Flame, you can hit the 2nd unit with Cleansing flame, since it hits all units (Friend or Foe (IIRC)) in the 9" Nova, save for transports they're firing out of, which is why I'd put a Purgation squad with Psycannons in a drop pod for 5 units with 4 spec weapons.

Rihgu wrote:

 Rommel013 wrote:


I wouldn't touch Interceptor squads at all and Purgation Squads are nice, only if you're loading them in a drop pod or can bring a Stormraven to drop them off EXACTLY where you need them.

Barring drop pods for your Purifiers, Interceptors are the best Power Armored Grey Knights. They actually have the movement to make use of the Grey Knights' short range fire power.


I've never gotten Interceptors to work for me, although YMMV, they just seem to be a bit squishy and don't have enough spec weapons for me to justify their usage over Purgation + Drop pod or the aforementioned Purifiers in a Rhino.

Rihgu wrote:

 Rommel013 wrote:


Termies want to be in melee, so bring Halberds and Hammers. The relentless rule on Terminator armor means a Psycannon isn't a bad choice, but I like to throw a flamer on them, personally.

Psycannons are nearly always better than incinerators on Terminators. Incinerators are what you want to give your Power Armored guys. Let Terminators bring the 4 shot S7 AP4 Rending guns with 24" range 90% of the time.


You're 100% right that the Terminators will get more shots out of Psycannon on the move thanks to Relentless, but anytime I bring Terminators, I kit them out for Melee and use the Nemesis Rights of Teleportation + Deep Strike Reserves to bring them in turn 1 near a unit they plan to Assault the next turn. I've found that the flamer tends to do more work, especially to counter a group assaulting them while they wait to assault after Deep Striking. Basically, I don't like the Psycannon since, in a perfect world, my Terminators are in Melee as often as possible and the fact that they have relentless is sort of irrelevant then, but having a flamethrower to use the Wall of Death special rule against other Charges is nice.


Again, these are all suggestions, try them out, see what you like. I don't have decades of playing GKs under my belt, so someone else might have better ideas than I, these are just my observations, based on what I've tried in my local meta.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/682816/8515407.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/682816/8515407.page GMT