http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/14.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net First List:
Land Raider Crusader, its a Deathwing vehicle.
Two Venerable Dreadnoughts, the first has a plasma cannon with powerfist and storm bolter, the other has an Assault cannon with Heavy flamer.
Deathwing Terms with the Librarian Mastery lvl 2. Warlord attached, 5 Storm Bolters, 5 Chainfists, One powersword, One Assault cannon
Tactical squad, One Plasma rifle and one Plasma cannon, 7 bolters 1 bolt pistol and Chainsword, the sergeant is a veteran.
One Rhino
One Predator with Twinlinked Lascannon and Lascannon sponsons.

Second List:
Predator with Twinlinked Lascannon and Lascannon Sponsons
Nephilim Jetfighter with standard wargear
Ravenwing attack squadron with 2 meltas and Veteran Sergeant with a chainsword
Company Master with Term Armor, Storm Bolter, and The Monster Slayer of Caliban.
Warlord Librarian Mastery Lvl 2 with Terminator Armor, Storm Bolter and Chainfist. he is attached to a squad of deathwing terminators with the same wargear as the terminators in the first list.
Tacticals, with the same loadout as the Tacticals in the first list.
One Rhino.

Which List do you think would prevail and which is necessarily better against different factions? Any and all feedback is appreciated!


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The first list only totals out at just shy of 1250pts, not the 2540 listed, are we meant to be choosing between the two or considering them as one?

Deathwing Vehicle isn't an option for Land Raiders in the most recent codex edition, are you using the 6th edition one instead?

A Librarian cannot take a Chainfist - he does not have access to the Terminator Weapons list (at least, not the 7th edition list. He does in 6th edition but that list only contains combi-weapons, so still no), and frankly I'd stick with a Force weapon even if he did have the option.

You could quite easily make a bound list by splitting the Tactical squad into two squads (means ending up with an extra basic sergeant, but it doesn't cost anything extra, can still take a bolter, and you shouldn't have any problem using a standard tactical marine for the model (with perhaps some way of remembering that he's a character incase of challenges).

The first list is very terminator-deathstar heavy, using the Crusader as a delivery method. It'd be fairly brutal against lists not able to deal with the AV14 before it unloads, or unable to deal with the 2+'es once they're in the thick of it (or continually throw disposable units at it). The dreadnoughts will struggle to reach melee to make full use of their points.

The second list has a bit more speed in the form of the bike squad (good for cracking transports), but the massive terminator sink is now bigger (with a CM as well) but now lacks a delivery method, meaning they will struggle to get into combat (if they don't make it to combat, terminators will struggle to make their points back. I'm sensing a theme in my comments...).]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/684052/8530373.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/684052/8530373.page GMT