Bignob wrote:
Can you give us some info on what models you have?

 -v10mega wrote:
for cheese:

sorcerer
cultists
chaos knight

for balanced:
use one of your bikes as a lord with any wargear and put him in spawn
cultists
heldrake
insert whatever else you want

 FoxPhoenix135 wrote:
It's a dataslate from FW... basically appends your codex. But if your league is as restrictive as it sounds, I can bet that they'd not allow it.

The heldrake seems like a pretty safe bet, but you'll either do really well with it or really bad with it, depending on your luck.

Honestly, most people really rag on helbrutes, but if you stick enough of them in (like 3) at the 750 level, they can be pretty brutal. That's a lot of AV12 saturation for 300 points (assuming they are the bare DV brutes with no upgrades) and they have some pretty hard-hitting close-range weaponry.

Last 750 game I played, I took two. My friend was running a Space Wolves formation... hellpack? something like that. It had the drop-pod dreadnought as the character for the formation, which he tried to plant in my backfield, assuming my helbrutes were not equal to his dreadnought. A single multi-melta shot proved him wrong as I scored a penetrating/explodes shot on the first try.

It all really depends on your meta though. Those same helbrutes are going to be kinda worthless against flyers, which is where the heldrake would be a better bet.

If you want to run possessed as others have suggested, I use the chosen models from DV to represent them, since they have a daemon-esque look to their armor, and no opponent I have ever played has had a problem with that as long as it was plainly stated from the start (and you keep it consistent by not running the same models as chosen elsewhere). Your mileage may vary, of course.

Just my 2 cents, good luck with your league!

 FoxPhoenix135 wrote:
Maulerfiends are great for their points. But the spawn are there to help your lord get in there and kill stuff... it really depends on your meta I guess. If I had to pick, I'd do the second Maulerfiend for additional armor saturation. He's hard to kill and has the daemon invul save, plus being really killy in close combat. Adding more spawn just add to the survivability of your lord, who is only 160+ points to start with, and who will probably kill about the same amount of stuff as a maulerfiend in combat.

Could go either way really. But I am slightly inclined to the maulerfiend.

 FoxPhoenix135 wrote:
The rules are that the average toughness is the toughness used when they are making their wound rolls, unless they are using Precision Shots, so it would make a difference provided you have more than 1 spawn in a unit with the lord.

However, you are paying those points purely for ablative wounds for shooting, mostly, since your lord HAS to challenge in assault combat. So those ablative wounds won't do you any good with that Wulfen character slices you down with his claws in a challenge.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for taking ablative wounds for important ICs like your warlord. I'm just saying there is a point at which they suffer from diminishing returns, and I'd guess that 2-3 spawn should be enough, and a Maulerfiend would add to your offensive capability much more than investing all your eggs into your Lord-basket there.

MitchellTyner wrote:
[...] I guess I could take one of those spawn and give it MON and it would have T6 like the lord so that's 2 with T6 vs 1 with T5. So I could do that to be safe.

 Raichase wrote:

MitchellTyner wrote:
[...] I guess I could take one of those spawn and give it MON and it would have T6 like the lord so that's 2 with T6 vs 1 with T5. So I could do that to be safe.

You can't elect to just give one spawn in the unit MoN - you must give the entire unit a mark, and pay the points for each model.

 FoxPhoenix135 wrote:
It says in the CSM codex (page 100):

"The -UNIT- may purchase one of the following Marks of Chaos:..."

Meaning the entire unit has to purchase it, not just the model. The per model cost is just for calculating the cost.