paintatdawn wrote:
Hi guys,

So, I had a vision the other day of a land raider redeemer charging into battle, spewing fire from its flamers, and then dropping the hatch and unleashing a tide of rage-fulled Death Company marines into burning enemy lines.. and now I want to make it happen.

However, I'm kinda stuck thinking about the loadout for them. Do I go all pistols and close combat weapons, or should I throw in some bolters too? I understand the main difference, it's either +1 attack, or being able to rapid-fire before charging. I just can't decide if it's worth putting bolters in there.

(I've also magnetised the sponsons, so I can take either a crusader or redeemer.)

What would you do for each vehicle type? Squad size and loadout.

Thanks in advance!

 Flugel Meister wrote:


This sounds like music to my ears.

I run death Company with a Land raider Crusader. That's' right, a Crusader. Resulting in a capacity of 16.

I personally go for 15 DC and Mephiston in the Crusader for maximum punch. The DC are kitted with a mix. 10 primarily feature 2 CC weapons, including power swords, while the remaining 5 feature either powerfist and a bolter or just a bolter, meaning that I can rapid fire before charging.

I tend to maximise the firepower before charging, so overwatch has little to no effect. Those that don't have bolt pistols use plasma pistols (3) or inferno pistols (3). So even if I'm taking on Terminators like I did against a Deathwing squad several weeks ago, I usually kill several of them before assaulting. Something I feel is essential when charging stubborn squads who hit on a 5+ for overwatch.

 paintatdawn wrote:

 Flugel Meister wrote:


This sounds like music to my ears.

I run death Company with a Land raider Crusader. That's' right, a Crusader. Resulting in a capacity of 16.

I personally go for 15 DC and Mephiston in the Crusader for maximum punch. The DC are kitted with a mix. 10 primarily feature 2 CC weapons, including power swords, while the remaining 5 feature either powerfist and a bolter or just a bolter, meaning that I can rapid fire before charging.

I tend to maximise the firepower before charging, so overwatch has little to no effect. Those that don't have bolt pistols use plasma pistols (3) or inferno pistols (3). So even if I'm taking on Terminators like I did against a Deathwing squad several weeks ago, I usually kill several of them before assaulting. Something I feel is essential when charging stubborn squads who hit on a 5+ for overwatch.

So you'd have just a few with bolters, max? With the extra shots from rapid-fire (I know it's only a small amount in your case) wouldn't you worry about shooting yourself out of charge range? Also, if you wipe a squad completely, would you be concerned about being exposed in the next turn?

G00fySmiley wrote:don't overthink it... dual wield thunder hammers for all!

but seriously 1 power weapon per 5, all ccw bolt pistol if doing 15 then throw in a fist, a thunder hammer, and a power sword. note make it a 14 man squad led by the sanguinar(jump pack so 2 slots) and boom every model gets one more attack. 11 pistol/chainswords 6 attack each for 66 on the charge, then power sword at initiative. that is after the sanguinar attack at i6 and probably won a challenge if one possible, then your th/pf swings

 G00fySmiley wrote:
I only meant for The sanguinary, do not give them all jet packs or they will take up too much transport space at 2 slots each. still magnetizing them is a good plan. 1/8 x 1/16 magnet on the body then 1/16 s 1/32 on backpack and jet pack works well (it is how I did mine) you can even magnetize arms with 1/16 x 1/16 magnets on body and arms. I do that to all of my marines (other than the dark vengeance/black reach ones not that it would not work am just lazy and have plenty of magnetized models.) only issue is not enough shoulder pads but that is an easy enough fix

 paintatdawn wrote:

 G00fySmiley wrote:
I only meant for The sanguinary, do not give them all jet packs or they will take up too much transport space at 2 slots each. still magnetizing them is a good plan. 1/8 x 1/16 magnet on the body then 1/16 s 1/32 on backpack and jet pack works well (it is how I did mine) you can even magnetize arms with 1/16 x 1/16 magnets on body and arms. I do that to all of my marines (other than the dark vengeance/black reach ones not that it would not work am just lazy and have plenty of magnetized models.) only issue is not enough shoulder pads but that is an easy enough fix

Don't wory, I know what you meant.

Though, I looked into it just now because it's not something I've heard of or seen before, and apparently it says in the rule book that jump pack units aren't allowed in any form of transport unless the transport specifically states otherwise. I don't have either my codex or rule book at hand at the moment to check, but I will look into it more later.

Magnet-wise, I'd love to have everything done on a model, but I struggle for time as it is! I'll probably stick with just doing the back packs etc

 niv-mizzet wrote:

You're correct. A transport needs to specifically say jump infantry are allowed like the stormraven for them to fit.
Also he seems to be talking about the sanguinor, who is A: terrible and B: not an independent character, thus unable to join a squad.

As for my suggestion, you're already running a land raider, so competitive efficiency is off the table, so just run what you want. Chaplains or libbies make good IC's for death co.

 niv-mizzet wrote:

 paintatdawn wrote:

 G00fySmiley wrote:
I only meant for The sanguinary, do not give them all jet packs or they will take up too much transport space at 2 slots each. still magnetizing them is a good plan. 1/8 x 1/16 magnet on the body then 1/16 s 1/32 on backpack and jet pack works well (it is how I did mine) you can even magnetize arms with 1/16 x 1/16 magnets on body and arms. I do that to all of my marines (other than the dark vengeance/black reach ones not that it would not work am just lazy and have plenty of magnetized models.) only issue is not enough shoulder pads but that is an easy enough fix

Don't wory, I know what you meant.

Though, I looked into it just now because it's not something I've heard of or seen before, and apparently it says in the rule book that jump pack units aren't allowed in any form of transport unless the transport specifically states otherwise. I don't have either my codex or rule book at hand at the moment to check, but I will look into it more later.

Magnet-wise, I'd love to have everything done on a model, but I struggle for time as it is! I'll probably stick with just doing the back packs etc

You're correct. A transport needs to specifically say jump infantry are allowed like the stormraven for them to fit.
Also he seems to be talking about the sanguinor, who is A: terrible and B: not an independent character, thus unable to join a squad.

As for my suggestion, you're already running a land raider, so competitive efficiency is off the table, so just run what you want. Chaplains or libbies make good IC's for death co.

 paintatdawn wrote:

 niv-mizzet wrote:

You're correct. A transport needs to specifically say jump infantry are allowed like the stormraven for them to fit.
Also he seems to be talking about the sanguinor, who is A: terrible and B: not an independent character, thus unable to join a squad.

As for my suggestion, you're already running a land raider, so competitive efficiency is off the table, so just run what you want. Chaplains or libbies make good IC's for death co.

Ah, thanks for clarifying!

Yeah, to be honest with you I'm not that hardcore when it comes to playing. I don't have as much time as I'd like to put into the hobby as it is, so I normally just put together units that I like the most (with some strategy of course).
I'll probably put a chaplain with them for Zealot. Either that or a sanguinary priest, though I was planning on putting him with some sanguinary guard.

 Flugel Meister wrote:

 paintatdawn wrote:
Hi guys,

So, I had a vision the other day of a land raider redeemer charging into battle, spewing fire from its flamers, and then dropping the hatch and unleashing a tide of rage-fulled Death Company marines into burning enemy lines.. and now I want to make it happen.

However, I'm kinda stuck thinking about the loadout for them. Do I go all pistols and close combat weapons, or should I throw in some bolters too? I understand the main difference, it's either +1 attack, or being able to rapid-fire before charging. I just can't decide if it's worth putting bolters in there.

(I've also magnetised the sponsons, so I can take either a crusader or redeemer.)

What would you do for each vehicle type? Squad size and loadout.

Thanks in advance!

This sounds like music to my ears.

I run death Company with a Land raider Crusader. That's' right, a Crusader. Resulting in a capacity of 16.

I personally go for 15 DC and Mephiston in the Crusader for maximum punch. The DC are kitted with a mix. 10 primarily feature 2 CC weapons, including power swords, while the remaining 5 feature either powerfist and a bolter or just a bolter, meaning that I can rapid fire before charging.

I tend to maximise the firepower before charging, so overwatch has little to no effect. Those that don't have bolt pistols use plasma pistols (3) or inferno pistols (3). So even if I'm taking on Terminators like I did against a Deathwing squad several weeks ago, I usually kill several of them before assaulting. Something I feel is essential when charging stubborn squads who hit on a 5+ for overwatch.

Dantes_Baals wrote:
Definitely run the priest with the sang guard. DC already has FNP so sang guard could benefit from the priest as he wouldn't make FNP 5+ redundant.

 Flugel Meister wrote:
I've used DC as a distraction before, and it's worked well. But sometimes it can work a little too well. Just be sure that you jump them into cover so they benefit from a cover save. They'll obviously need to take a dangerous terrain test, but have their normal save and FNP to fall back on.

I sometimes include a Predator Annihilator as well, sporting Lascannons. Depending on what your opponent is using, it might force him/her to carefully choose their targets. Taking out the Land Raider obviously slows your DC but leaving the Predator for a turn risks a lot of Lascannon fire that could disable or destroy a vehicle or walker that he/she is using. I always try to give them too much nasty stuff to shoot at, resulting in them shooting at something that I can live without. A good player won't fall for this, though, and will prioritise their targets properly.

Distractions all depend upon how your oppenent plays and how good they are. You can add to the distraction by including some smacktalk, making out that your squad is feared, deadly and not to be trifled with.

Sanguinary Guard definitely need a priest with them, otherwise they'll just die when shot at. Dont use them as a distraction. Ever. They should be one of your main means of assaulting.

Furiosos in pods can be useful. Dropping one in the middle of his army can be terrifying for him. If they survive you can use them to assault, especially if they have blood talons. If they die, hopefully they've used up quite a few of his shots. Try using a Lucius drop pod so it'll have shroud on the turn it drops, and he can stay inside and fire out as it's open topped.