IllumiNini wrote:
Fair call. Sleep is over-rated haha

So essentially when the Necrons take over a world, you have to take it back before they completely 'infest' (for lack of a better word) the world, or Exterminatus it into oblivion?

That kinda sucks for the Imperium :/

Scarey Nerd wrote:
Necrons certainly have the ability to create new Tomb Worlds, but why go back to sleep after 60,000,000 years?

 Iron_Captain wrote:

Scarey Nerd wrote:
Necrons certainly have the ability to create new Tomb Worlds, but why go back to sleep after 60,000,000 years?

Just 5 more minutes!

Scarey Nerd wrote:
The Imperium do not possess the technology to conquer a Tomb World. Some kind of deus ex machina might shut the inhabiting Necrons down, but the Imperium couldn't do it themselves.

Scarey Nerd wrote:
In both of those cases they're passing comments with no real details - I'm not disputing that they happened, of course, but they're basically just "And then the Imperials won". Whenever there's been a detailed look at a Tomb World, the Necrons either won, were killed by other Necrons, or GW shuffle their papers and don't really think about it. Even on Damnos, one of the most detailed Necron campaigns with a few novels, a book for the tabletop, references in multiple codexes across multiple editions etc, at the end it's just "And then Sicarius came back and reclaimed the world for the Imperium".

For the purposes of this question, they don't really help find an answer, since there's no supporting facts or details - but, equally, clearly they did happen. In some cases it might have been an exterminatus and that counted, but I did use the phrase deus ex machina for a reason I'll happily concede my huge bias, however, but it's a result of my frustration that GW made a faction that outstrips every other faction in the biggest power creep ever written, but then don't really represent it much of the time, with a few happy exceptions.

 EngulfedObject wrote:

Scarey Nerd wrote:
In both of those cases they're passing comments with no real details - I'm not disputing that they happened, of course, but they're basically just "And then the Imperials won". Whenever there's been a detailed look at a Tomb World, the Necrons either won, were killed by other Necrons, or GW shuffle their papers and don't really think about it. Even on Damnos, one of the most detailed Necron campaigns with a few novels, a book for the tabletop, references in multiple codexes across multiple editions etc, at the end it's just "And then Sicarius came back and reclaimed the world for the Imperium".

For the purposes of this question, they don't really help find an answer, since there's no supporting facts or details - but, equally, clearly they did happen. In some cases it might have been an exterminatus and that counted, but I did use the phrase deus ex machina for a reason I'll happily concede my huge bias, however, but it's a result of my frustration that GW made a faction that outstrips every other faction in the biggest power creep ever written, but then don't really represent it much of the time, with a few happy exceptions.

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence , though in this case there is evidence, however sparse on details examples of the Imperium reclaiming tomb worlds might be. There's still nothing supporting the statement that the Imperium is incapable of retaking tomb worlds through means other than exterminatus.

Besides, I'm not sure astartes being astartes in the fluff qualifies as deus ex machina. They do the same over-the-top things to other factions all the time, so why should the Necrons get a free pass? On the other hand, what happened on Icnarus probably does qualify as deus ex machina, which is way I didn't mention it.

Anyway, I understand where your frustration comes from (though the same could easily be said about the Necrons being OP), but there's nothing to back up that assertion.

 troa wrote:
Unfortunately Necron fluff is pretty over the top in terms of their durability. At the end of the day anything written about just comes down to "who has the plot armor this time?" That being said, every faction gets plot armor sometimes.

 Desubot wrote:

 troa wrote:
Unfortunately Necron fluff is pretty over the top in terms of their durability. At the end of the day anything written about just comes down to "who has the plot armor this time?" That being said, every faction gets plot armor sometimes.

Indeed It just comes down to who is writing what.

I think that story of the world engine getting taken down by melta bombs was funny.

Scarey Nerd wrote:

 Desubot wrote:

 troa wrote:
Unfortunately Necron fluff is pretty over the top in terms of their durability. At the end of the day anything written about just comes down to "who has the plot armor this time?" That being said, every faction gets plot armor sometimes.

Indeed It just comes down to who is writing what.

I think that story of the world engine getting taken down by melta bombs was funny.

At least it took an entire Chapter and half a fleet to get those bombs there

 Desubot wrote:

Scarey Nerd wrote:

 Desubot wrote:

 troa wrote:
Unfortunately Necron fluff is pretty over the top in terms of their durability. At the end of the day anything written about just comes down to "who has the plot armor this time?" That being said, every faction gets plot armor sometimes.

Indeed It just comes down to who is writing what.

I think that story of the world engine getting taken down by melta bombs was funny.

At least it took an entire Chapter and half a fleet to get those bombs there

Yeah im fine with it taking an extraordinary about of effort to do so. makes the payoff way better.

 IllumiNini wrote:
But as far as Necrons go, I think (at least part of) GW's attempt to counter act things like lots of Necrons coming to life was the insanity of their lords (has that been ret-conned?) and the different dynasties who will fight each other because said insanity (or some other reason(s) I can't remember).

Animus wrote:
The Necrons just got a straight up beat down on Damnos, Tomb Worlds can be taken.