http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/69.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net KDK. Many people select the Soul Grinder because he's anti-flyer, but not many people are playing flyers at my gaming club. So which one should I take ?

Thx for the answers.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/689396/8624906.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/689396/8624906.page GMT IMO). Phlegm Bombardment is an Ordnance weapon and a large blast, so it can do good against a blob of MEQ or less or a vehicle. I don't take a Soul Grinder for its AA capability, as said capability is weak at best. The Maulerfiend is decent, but IMO you should take at least 2 for threat saturation. Not sure what the best loadout is for one (magma cutter vs. lashers) since I don't currently own one. The Helbrute is garbage, although perhaps not completely since it comes with a multimelta as standard. They suffer from the problems of being a walker without a save. I've had mine Immobilized in my own backfield too many times, and other times it has just gotten blown up. It's too bad, as the Helbrute is one of my favorite Chaos models.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/689396/8624933.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/689396/8624933.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/689396/8625121.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/689396/8625121.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/689396/8625452.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/689396/8625452.page GMT
The Helbrute is pure garbage though. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/689396/8625613.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/689396/8625613.page GMT
The Soul Grinder is pretty average at anti-tank. Phlegm is just a short range Battlecannon, and Battlecannons are not good at anti-tank. Great at clearing MEQ though. I actually prefer to use the Torrent Flamer (S6 AP4), to wipe out 4+ troops (Firewarriors, Pathfinders, Scouts, Guard etc). Moving only 6" a turn means it takes a long while to reach something hiding in their backline - Slaanesh Grinders for Chaos Demons help there with the extra run distance but obviously thats not an option for Khorne Demonkin.

Maulerfiends are solid, almost purely because they can move 12". You definitely need to saturate AV to use them though, since a single AV12 vehicle is not hard to destroy even if it has a 5++. Running at least 2, with other Rhinos and Soul Grinders, to make the enemy have to decide which vehicle to pop.

Helbrutes are crappy Dreadnaughts, and Dreadnaughts are not good to start with. Really cool models though - if you do want to use them, the Mayhem Pack formation is probably the only viable way (3 Helbrutes that arrive together from Deep Strike, get IWND, but have to roll on the Crazed table every turn even if they didn't take damage). Deep-Striking Multi-meltas are reasonably decent. Edit: though I'm not sure if KDK can take the Mayhem pack? Might be a CSM only thing.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/689396/8626320.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/689396/8626320.page GMT CSM faction only, but you can ally them in easily enough. You just don't get BftBG.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/689396/8626515.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/689396/8626515.page GMT
For dedicated anti-tank your best shot is, imo, allying in a Renegade CAD with 3x3 Laser Destroyers ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/689396/8627841.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/689396/8627841.page GMT