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Company master - bolt pistol power sword

Librarian lvl 2 bolt pistol force sword

Troops

Tactical x10 plasma cannon and framer , set with combi melta

Tactical x5 sgt, plasma pistol

Tactical x 5 sgt , plasma pistol

Elites

Company veteran squad x5 , 2 storm shields, 1 flamer , 1 multi melta

Deathwing Knights x5 wysiwyg

Terminator squad 1 with assault cannon,

Fast Attack

Ravenwing Bike Squad x3 inc sgt 2x grav gun chainsword with sgt

raven wing Land speeder with multimelta and assault cannon

1290pts

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Where are your HQs going and what’s their job? They should always have a place and a job, and be geared for it. They don’t look bad from a gear POV (although almost everyone does better on bikes, and if your company master can take artificer armor, he should) but they don’t really have a decent place to be. You don’t have any foot CC units, and they don’t have the gear to hang with the bikers/terminators.

Pic a job and gear for it. Who do you want to be killing with your big tac squad? Hordes with the flamer? Heavy tanks with the melta? Light armor/elite troops with the plasma? The last thing you want is for guys you paid points for sitting around while one guy does all the work. If you do want to gear for an alternate target (like melta in a tac squad) make sure you get enough shots to warrant the bolter boys sitting around for a turn while you try to take down the tank. So going full melta (MM/M, c-melta sarge) when you shoot at that tanks, all three of of notable guns are going to be effective, and have a decent chance of actually doing some damage.

I don’t like plasma cannons on tac squads, as they don’t work well on the move. Plasma pistols are also comically overpriced; avoid them. You probably want transports for your tac squads (and in general). Footslogging is a good way to be shot off the table before getting anything done. Rhinos/razors/drop pods all have their pros/cons. Worth looking into if you are going to continue with basic guys in power armor.

I’m not sure what options you have with your vets, but I’ll reiterate what I said back about the tacticals. Pick a job and own it. A single MM is not going to get much done. He would be better served in a tac squad.

Can’t speak on the knights.
I tend to field my tactical terminators with an assault cannon and a chainfist in the squad. Just be careful with them. They are not as tough on the table as the fluff would have you believe.

Grav bikers are good in general. If you can take a combi on the sage it can be worth it.

I like a TML/HB speeders. Not a huge fan of having to get in close to work, as small arms can bring them down. I’d consider 2xMM, rather then mixing weapons. The MM/AsC is going to be more flexible, but not as good at it’s job. It’s a trade-off.

Lastly, look at your formations. There is a lot of free power there to be had, if you build your list around it. No idea what they are like for DAs though.

Good luck, and purge the heretic!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/689439/8625742.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/689439/8625742.page GMT
Transports for the foot-slogging marines would be my recommendation, swap the plasma pistols in the tac squads for plasma guns (you haven't used up the special slot on them, they're going to be rapid-firing bolters anyway, and the plasma has better range & output).

Drop the multi-melta from the vet unit - they'll either be moving forward to fire the flamer, or expecting to be in combat (you want to make use of those 2 base attacks, right? You've already paid for them...). The alternative with vets would be to load them up with special weapons (flamers or meltas, pick one) and stack them in a drop pod - they're the nearest thing DA get to sternguard for that sort of thing.

Deathwing Knights can be very nasty, but the difficulty is getting them into a position to charge without having them whittled down to 2 or less. A Land Raider is an expensive way, but it gets the job done. Teleporting means a T3 charge at best, and usually gets them shot first. I haven't tried using a non-dedicated Drop Pod yet, that's next on my list.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/689439/8625860.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/689439/8625860.page GMT
Trying to work towards the formations (the speeder and bikes give me one) and I will probably build not build the term set as knights just another normal term squad for a bit more versatility. I will deffo have a sit down with each unit and look at their weapons and what the intention is for each]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/689439/8626948.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/689439/8626948.page GMT
The key to Space Marines (and 40k in general, to be honest) is to specialise your units, as the other respondents have said. All the Plasma (gun and combi-, possibly also Cannon if you want to sit on a home objective) will give you a good, versatile build and will be decently fluffy to boot. That's only an example, mind. Your taste is what matters.

Also, transports are all but essential for Tactical Squads. Either take two 10-man squads in Rhinos or several smaller units in Razorbacks. The transports can deliver your squads onto objectives and screen them against the worst anti-infantry fire.

Frankly, though, that's the only advice that's worth taking. Despite what internet power-gamers would have you believe, 40k is and always has been a game of strategy, and you are always better off working by good old-fashioned trial-and-error. I can't possibly speak to what tactics you'll prefer or how your local community plays. I know this sounds like a cop-out, but that's the fact.

The best way to proceed, (ideally before you build anything), is to borrow an army or two and have some games at your nearest club or shop. That'll give you a good feel for how you'd like to play. You may find that you can't stand playing anything in Power Armour and would rather have a go with something quick and stabby, if you catch my drift.

Anyway, I hope you find this hobby to your liking. There's typically a niche for everyone. The crucial thing is not to let the internet decide things for you; you absolutely must build and paint and play your own way.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/689439/8626991.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/689439/8626991.page GMT
get the librarian an invul save. even if your starved for points here a combat shield is 5 points for a 6++. youd be crazy to at least not give him that.

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