<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "Yo, is it possible for a cadre fireblade to be a race other than tau?"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/69.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Yo, is it possible for a cadre fireblade to be a race other than tau? HQ stand out a bit from the last one, and making one or two human or kroot might be a way to do so, but I wan to make sure it's lore friendly. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/689493/8626560.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/689493/8626560.page GMT Yo, is it possible for a cadre fireblade to be a race other than tau? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/689493/8626635.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/689493/8626635.page GMT Yo, is it possible for a cadre fireblade to be a race other than tau?
 hotsauceman1 wrote:
No. Tau are rigid in their hierarchys. Their "allies" are barely tolerate


I thought I've seen information where tau had some lesser races in the fire warriors ranks, and in the codex it's shown that they're far more tolerant than "barely not killing everything". ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/689493/8626653.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/689493/8626653.page GMT Re:Yo, is it possible for a cadre fireblade to be a race other than tau? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/689493/8626657.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/689493/8626657.page GMT Yo, is it possible for a cadre fireblade to be a race other than tau? FW tau book (hope they update it soon)

Stat for human and tau are almost the same so the logic fits well]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/689493/8626665.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/689493/8626665.page GMT Yo, is it possible for a cadre fireblade to be a race other than tau? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/689493/8626674.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/689493/8626674.page GMT Yo, is it possible for a cadre fireblade to be a race other than tau?
 troa wrote:
The real question is would they allow the non-Tau to command other Tau troops in a mixed species unit.


True, though I think if they would the highest up you'd find a guy in a command position is a fireblade. Any suits are probably tau only. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/689493/8626691.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/689493/8626691.page GMT Yo, is it possible for a cadre fireblade to be a race other than tau?
 Jaxler wrote:
 troa wrote:
The real question is would they allow the non-Tau to command other Tau troops in a mixed species unit.


True, though I think if they would the highest up you'd find a guy in a command position is a fireblade. Any suits are probably tau only.


Is there any fluff for a non tau using a battle suit? It might not work to to the interface is made for a tau brain.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/689493/8626705.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/689493/8626705.page GMT Yo, is it possible for a cadre fireblade to be a race other than tau?
And tau tend to keep allied races fighting in thier own doctrines and just enhance the tech a bit, not give them all new doctrines.

A fireblade is close enough to IG officers for having the same structure of command reasonable, but humans in suits won't happen. (maybe enhanced sentinels) ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/689493/8626712.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/689493/8626712.page GMT Yo, is it possible for a cadre fireblade to be a race other than tau? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/689493/8627100.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/689493/8627100.page GMT Yo, is it possible for a cadre fireblade to be a race other than tau?
A Fireblade-like character who wasn't a Tau would probably only be put in charge of non-Tau units, but if you need eighteen fireblades, you're probably going to want that kind of dfferentiation in the units they command too anyway.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/689493/8627205.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/689493/8627205.page GMT Yo, is it possible for a cadre fireblade to be a race other than tau? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/689493/8627250.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/689493/8627250.page GMT Yo, is it possible for a cadre fireblade to be a race other than tau? Human auxiliaries to the Tau Empire would of course have human commanders of a similar role and rank though, so I guess you could use the Fireblade rules to represent one. He would not be in command of a group of Tau though, the Tau are racists.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/689493/8627278.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/689493/8627278.page GMT Yo, is it possible for a cadre fireblade to be a race other than tau? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/689493/8627287.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/689493/8627287.page GMT Yo, is it possible for a cadre fireblade to be a race other than tau?
 Iron_Captain wrote:
The Fire Caste is Tau-only. That means that a Cadre Fireblade is always a Fire Caste Tau, no exceptions possible.
Human auxiliaries to the Tau Empire would of course have human commanders of a similar role and rank though, so I guess you could use the Fireblade rules to represent one. He would not be in command of a group of Tau though, the Tau are racists.

Gue'vesa are Fire Caste, no?

And there's a huge variety in the Tau Empire. Some Tau cadres could be horrible xenophobic, but others are more tolerant, perhaps because of a higher auxiliary:Tau ratio.
My own Cadre has this - a roughly 5:1 split of Tau to Gue'vesa, and my main Infantry are led by a Gue'vesa'El, due to the humans' increased tenacity and combat prowess over an unaltered Tau.

I will echo that non-Tau don't get battlesuits, in my opinion, but a Cadre Fireblade could be any race because of their lack of a suit.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/689493/8627293.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/689493/8627293.page GMT Yo, is it possible for a cadre fireblade to be a race other than tau?
Humans as count-as Cadre Fireblades, if leading a non-Tau group, are completely possible.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/689493/8627294.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/689493/8627294.page GMT Yo, is it possible for a cadre fireblade to be a race other than tau?
 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
 Iron_Captain wrote:
The Fire Caste is Tau-only. That means that a Cadre Fireblade is always a Fire Caste Tau, no exceptions possible.
Human auxiliaries to the Tau Empire would of course have human commanders of a similar role and rank though, so I guess you could use the Fireblade rules to represent one. He would not be in command of a group of Tau though, the Tau are racists.

Gue'vesa are Fire Caste, no?

Absolutely not!
The Fire Caste is a specific subrace of the Tau. As a Caste, it is completely closed. You can't get in or out. The only way to become Fire Caste is to be born as Fire Caste. Gue'vesa are always employed as auxiliaries, altough some groups of Gue'vesa seem to be more trusted than others and thus get equipment and such similar to that of the Fire Caste. Afaik, the Tau keep the different races of their empire pretty much segregated. Human auxiliaries will have Human officers, just like the Kroot have their own leaders and the Fire Caste will of course always be commanded by Fire Caste officers. Of course, Fire Caste officers would outrank their auxiliary counterparts.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/689493/8627328.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/689493/8627328.page GMT Yo, is it possible for a cadre fireblade to be a race other than tau?
 Iron_Captain wrote:
 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
 Iron_Captain wrote:
The Fire Caste is Tau-only. That means that a Cadre Fireblade is always a Fire Caste Tau, no exceptions possible.
Human auxiliaries to the Tau Empire would of course have human commanders of a similar role and rank though, so I guess you could use the Fireblade rules to represent one. He would not be in command of a group of Tau though, the Tau are racists.

Gue'vesa are Fire Caste, no?

Absolutely not!
The Fire Caste is a specific subrace of the Tau. As a Caste, it is completely closed. You can't get in or out. The only way to become Fire Caste is to be born as Fire Caste. Gue'vesa are always employed as auxiliaries, altough some groups of Gue'vesa seem to be more trusted than others and thus get equipment and such similar to that of the Fire Caste. Afaik, the Tau keep the different races of their empire pretty much segregated. Human auxiliaries will have Human officers, just like the Kroot have their own leaders and the Fire Caste will of course always be commanded by Fire Caste officers. Of course, Fire Caste officers would outrank their auxiliary counterparts.

What about humans born into the Empire? Would they not have the same opportunities?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/689493/8627333.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/689493/8627333.page GMT Yo, is it possible for a cadre fireblade to be a race other than tau?
 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
 Iron_Captain wrote:
 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
 Iron_Captain wrote:
The Fire Caste is Tau-only. That means that a Cadre Fireblade is always a Fire Caste Tau, no exceptions possible.
Human auxiliaries to the Tau Empire would of course have human commanders of a similar role and rank though, so I guess you could use the Fireblade rules to represent one. He would not be in command of a group of Tau though, the Tau are racists.

Gue'vesa are Fire Caste, no?

Absolutely not!
The Fire Caste is a specific subrace of the Tau. As a Caste, it is completely closed. You can't get in or out. The only way to become Fire Caste is to be born as Fire Caste. Gue'vesa are always employed as auxiliaries, altough some groups of Gue'vesa seem to be more trusted than others and thus get equipment and such similar to that of the Fire Caste. Afaik, the Tau keep the different races of their empire pretty much segregated. Human auxiliaries will have Human officers, just like the Kroot have their own leaders and the Fire Caste will of course always be commanded by Fire Caste officers. Of course, Fire Caste officers would outrank their auxiliary counterparts.

What about humans born into the Empire? Would they not have the same opportunities?


Nope. Tau are just as racist as the rest of the galaxy. They're just less killy with their racism.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/689493/8627356.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/689493/8627356.page GMT Yo, is it possible for a cadre fireblade to be a race other than tau?
 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
 Iron_Captain wrote:
 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
 Iron_Captain wrote:
The Fire Caste is Tau-only. That means that a Cadre Fireblade is always a Fire Caste Tau, no exceptions possible.
Human auxiliaries to the Tau Empire would of course have human commanders of a similar role and rank though, so I guess you could use the Fireblade rules to represent one. He would not be in command of a group of Tau though, the Tau are racists.

Gue'vesa are Fire Caste, no?

Absolutely not!
The Fire Caste is a specific subrace of the Tau. As a Caste, it is completely closed. You can't get in or out. The only way to become Fire Caste is to be born as Fire Caste. Gue'vesa are always employed as auxiliaries, altough some groups of Gue'vesa seem to be more trusted than others and thus get equipment and such similar to that of the Fire Caste. Afaik, the Tau keep the different races of their empire pretty much segregated. Human auxiliaries will have Human officers, just like the Kroot have their own leaders and the Fire Caste will of course always be commanded by Fire Caste officers. Of course, Fire Caste officers would outrank their auxiliary counterparts.

What about humans born into the Empire? Would they not have the same opportunities?

The problem with the Tau Caste system is that it is genetically determined (i.e. the Tau Castes are actually different subspecies of the Tau species) and thus a Human can never be part of any Tau Caste. The Tau Empire is pretty much segregated, so Humans would just stick to living in their own communities under their own leaders. There is nothing to suggest that a Human can't rise high in the Tau Empire, he or she could become a great military or civilian leader of their Human community or a respected scientist, engineer, advisor or whatever. If anything, the Tau Empire provides much more opportunities than the feudal Imperium of Man. But the Tau will of course always remain the ruling and leading race of the Empire.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/689493/8627360.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/689493/8627360.page GMT Yo, is it possible for a cadre fireblade to be a race other than tau?
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/689493/8627428.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/689493/8627428.page GMT Yo, is it possible for a cadre fireblade to be a race other than tau?
 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
 Iron_Captain wrote:
The Fire Caste is Tau-only. That means that a Cadre Fireblade is always a Fire Caste Tau, no exceptions possible.
Human auxiliaries to the Tau Empire would of course have human commanders of a similar role and rank though, so I guess you could use the Fireblade rules to represent one. He would not be in command of a group of Tau though, the Tau are racists.

Gue'vesa are Fire Caste, no?

NOPE!

Gue'vesa are human helpers--it's in the name. They're not part of any Caste.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/689493/8627463.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/689493/8627463.page GMT Yo, is it possible for a cadre fireblade to be a race other than tau? They'll work together, they'll even have combined forces and mixed units, but they are not the same caste. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/689493/8627520.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/689493/8627520.page GMT Yo, is it possible for a cadre fireblade to be a race other than tau?
 BoomWolf wrote:
Right. The best way to look at the deeply integrated alien groups such as the Gue'vesa is as if they are extra "castes" beyond the tau five.
They'll work together, they'll even have combined forces and mixed units, but they are not the same caste.

"Deeply integrated"...lol.

Gue'vesa are, in the main, as deeply integrated as a coat. They can be shed at any point in time with no ill effects.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/689493/8627536.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/689493/8627536.page GMT Yo, is it possible for a cadre fireblade to be a race other than tau?
 EnTyme wrote:

Nope. Tau are just as racist as the rest of the galaxy. They're just less killy with their racism.

This is entirely and 100% correct.

It is also the most misunderstood thing the fan base screws up when they think Tau are "good guys". They are not. No one is.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/689493/8627679.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/689493/8627679.page GMT Yo, is it possible for a cadre fireblade to be a race other than tau? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/689493/8627716.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/689493/8627716.page GMT Yo, is it possible for a cadre fireblade to be a race other than tau? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/689493/8627727.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/689493/8627727.page GMT Yo, is it possible for a cadre fireblade to be a race other than tau? id suggest maybe doing a "puretide" fireblade if you have any like necron or mechanicus bits or a friend who does and make a tau look a little...servitor-y and explain it as experimental command bionics.

Also for differentiating maybe one or two of your fireblades has taken trophies from fallen foes so one might have a space marine shoulder pad but paint over the SM chapter badge with the tau sect. You could get some tiny cloth strips and tie one around a fireblades head and say he took it from a defeated catachan. Maybe one uses a tyranids razor claw as his bonding knife because he survived the hive fleet encounter.

I'd think a guy taking trophies would be pretty fluff safe because every soldier ever has done it at some point. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/689493/8627770.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/689493/8627770.page GMT Yo, is it possible for a cadre fireblade to be a race other than tau?
 Furyou Miko wrote:
The sterilised Gue'vesa fluff was from Imperial propaganda in Dawn of War: Dark Crusade.


So clearly the truth, because why would the Imperium lie? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/689493/8627780.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/689493/8627780.page GMT Yo, is it possible for a cadre fireblade to be a race other than tau? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/689493/8634556.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/689493/8634556.page GMT