http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/14.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Librarian on bike 85pts
Ravenwing command squad – 4 knights (one upgraded to apothecary, one melta bomb) 195pts
3 Black knights (melta bomb) 125pts
3 Black knights 120pts

Fist of Medusa Strike force 1225pts
Strike force command:
Chapter master with Shield eternal, bike + thunder hammer 230pts
Chapter master with storm shield, bike + thunder hammer 210pts (warlord)
Core: Armoured task force with techmarine (bike and servo harness, going with command squad) + 3 whirlwinds 305pts
Aux: Skyhammer Annihilation Force
Assault marines with melta bomb 90pts
Assault marines with melta bomb 90pts
Devastators in drop pod with 1 Grav cannon 140pts
Devastators in drop pod with 1 Grav cannon and 1 multi melta 150pts

The plan: 3 mini black knight deathstars roll up the board, two with tanking chapter masters and one with the techmarine tanking. Any AP2 is looked out to 3+ re-rollable black knights jinking. The stars get in combat and get killing. They are supported by whirlwinds to help against high model counts and skyhammer to help with monstrous creatures etc.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/690847/8654673.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/690847/8654673.page GMT
what's the bonus for Fist of Medusa?

The Ravenwing Command Squad cannot get melta-bombs. spend on Auspex instead.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/690847/8654979.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/690847/8654979.page GMT
The fist of medusa has +1 FNP within 12 inches of warlord, two warlord traits and vehicles within 12 inch gain power of the machine spirit (potentially allowing 12 inch movement with whilwinds and still firing, but this is minor)

Ah I didn't realise that - yeah auspex seems a reasonable buy.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/690847/8655422.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/690847/8655422.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/690847/8655468.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/690847/8655468.page GMT FNP bubble to the one who has less intrinsic FNP himself so his stays high]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/690847/8655914.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/690847/8655914.page GMT EW means they'll be as good as 1 wound and 2+ reroll cover is only good if they can't ignore it, which most armies can. Even if they can't you're not super fantastic in melee and your shooting will be borked from jinking.) You have no psychic, which is absolutely mandatory, even for mini-stars(One librarian does NOT count)

On the other side you're trying to cram in a skyhammer that is less effective then just 1 dev squad with grav cannons in a drop pod for 30 more points than 1 dev squad in a drop pod. Yes i know they only get 3 shots, they're still WAY better than 1 MM and 1 GC for 290 points.

I would suggest dropping the 2 black knight squads and 1 chapter master for a libcon with at least 4 libbies on bikes, bump the DA libby up to ML 2, Change the CM to bike Gorgon's chain, Powerfist, Lightning claw, auspex, from whatever thing you have, and either run the whole skyhammer with MM for maximum vehicular murder, HB for maximum pinning or find enough points for AT LEAST 2 grav cannons per dev squad and kill some wraithknights.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/690847/8658102.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/690847/8658102.page GMT CC (besides the eternal warrior chapter master and his unit). I think it could work, but would need to be played carefully - only engaging nasty CC units with the EW chapter master's unit. This list doesn't have as great psychic needs, as it isn't the end of the world if one of the mini-stars folds.

However I think you're right about trying to do too much. How about dropping the techmarine + his knight unit, and losing the whirlwinds to beef up the skyhammer and get the gorgon's chain in there? I'm not so keen on going down the psychic domination route tbh

Ravenwing strike force
Librarian on bike 85pts
Ravenwing command squad – 4 knights (one upgraded to apothecary, one melta bomb) 195pts
4 Black knights with 1 melta bomb 165pts

Iron hands: Chapter master with Shield eternal, bike + thunder hammer 230pts
5 scouts with melta bomb in LSS 100pts

Clan Raukaan: Chapter master with gorgon's chain, bike + thunder hammer 225pts (warlord)
5 scouts with melta bomb in LSS 100pts


Skyhammer Annihilation Force - 540pts
Assault marines with melta bomb 90pts
Assault marines with melta bomb 90pts
Devastators in drop pod with 2 Grav cannons 180pts
Devastators in drop pod with 4 multi meltas 145pts

Culexus assassin 140pts
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/690847/8658507.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/690847/8658507.page GMT IH and codex relics in the same detachment now so you don't have to say clan raukaan.

You still can't take melta bombs on black knights and melta bombs in general aren't great except on skyhammer assault marines where they are quite good. Drop the thunderhammers for powerfists and save 5 points, neither character give a flying F*** what initiative their enemy goes at so TH aren't that useful.

Culexus needs a pod until the FAQ comes out. i would drop both LSS and melta bombs and just use the scouts to camp objectives and use infiltrate to give your army room to scout against other scouting armies.

At the end of the day though, I still believe that 1 big star with psychic support would be much more useful than 2 small ones. You will be amazed at how fast the smaller one dies in a competitive game and even the 2+2+3++2+++ one won't last that long without invis.

If you do want to run double small deathstars though, you're pretty close in terms of point efficiency and it would be mostly playtesting from here.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/690847/8658911.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/690847/8658911.page GMT