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Gorepack
··Chaos Bikers [2x Bikers, 2x Meltagun]
····Biker Champion [Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon, Melta Bombs]
··Chaos Bikers [2x Bikers, 2x Meltagun]
····Biker Champion [Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon, Melta Bombs]
··Chaos Bikers [2x Bikers, 2x Meltagun]
····Biker Champion [Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon, Melta Bombs]
··Flesh Hounds [20x Flesh Hounds]
··Flesh Hounds [10x Flesh Hounds]
··Flesh Hounds [10x Flesh Hounds]

Lords of Slaughter [Bloodthirster of Insensate Rage]

Slaughtercult
··Bloodletters [8x Bloodletters]
··Bloodletters [8x Bloodletters]
··Bloodletters [8x Bloodletters]
··Chaos Lord [Juggernaut of Khorne, Lightning Claw, Melta Bombs, Power Fist, Sigil of Corruption, The Blood-forged Armour, Warlord]
··Possessed [4x Possessed, Possessed Champion]

The Juggerlord is grouped with the unit of 20 Flesh Hounds.

REVISED LIST:

Changes
- Split unit of 20 hounds into 10 each
- Reduced one unit of 10 hounds to 7
- Removed one bloodletter unit
- Added one chaos spawn
- Added one cultist group
- Added a rhino dedicated transport (w/ dozer blade) to the possessed
- Upgraded one bloodletter unit to have a bloodreaper

+ Blood Host Detachment (1850 pts) +

Gorepack
··Chaos Bikers [2x Bikers, 2x Meltagun]
····Biker Champion [Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon, Melta Bombs]
··Chaos Bikers [2x Bikers, 2x Meltagun]
····Biker Champion [Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon, Melta Bombs]
··Chaos Bikers [2x Bikers, 2x Meltagun]
····Biker Champion [Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon, Melta Bombs]
··Flesh Hounds [10x Flesh Hounds]
··Flesh Hounds [10x Flesh Hounds]
··Flesh Hounds [10x Flesh Hounds]
··Flesh Hounds [7x Flesh Hounds]

Lords of Slaughter [Bloodthirster of Insensate Rage]

Slaughtercult
··Bloodletters [8x Bloodletters, Upgrade one Bloodletter to Bloodreaper]
··Bloodletters [8x Bloodletters]
··Chaos Cultists [7x Cultists]
····Cultist Champion [Autopistol]
··Chaos Lord [Juggernaut of Khorne, Lightning Claw, Power Fist, Sigil of Corruption, The Blood-forged Armour, Warlord]
··Chaos Spawn
··Possessed [4x Possessed, Possessed Champion]
····Chaos Rhino [Dozer Blade]]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/691401/8665265.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/691401/8665265.page GMT [1850] - Khorne Daemonkin - ITC Tournament List http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/691401/8665524.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/691401/8665524.page GMT [1850] - Khorne Daemonkin - ITC Tournament List
skycapt44 wrote:
I'd reduce the dog units to be all 10 man packs to have more units and therefore more blood tithes and objective grabbers. Finding a rhino for the possessed would be nice as well to shot them up forward.


I'm a little worried about the survivability of the juggerlord with only 10 hounds in the unit. Do you think I can safely drop the number?

I figure the possessed are a straight tax. My original plan was to deep strike them in a far corner for linebreaker. If I give them a rhino what would their new job be, and what should I drop to afford the rhino?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/691401/8665900.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/691401/8665900.page GMT Re:[1850] - Khorne Daemonkin - ITC Tournament List
1: Blood Host Detachment! You have a Core (Slaughtercult), a Command (Insensate Bloodthirster), and an Auxiliary (Gorepack). The extra Blood Tithe per turn is a HUGE benefit!

2: Reread your rulebook. Anytime one of your characters is removed from play, you get 1 Blood Tithe! Upgrade those Bloodletter squads with a Bloodreaper.

3: Find the points for 2 Cultists and 2 Spawn in your Slaughtercult. They are cheap, easy ways to get Blood Tithe boosts, and you will need it to deal with the stuff ITC lists will throw at you.

I do not believe you have a chance against a Space Marine Gladius without Heldrakes. Riptide Wing with Stormsurges will also tear through this list. I am not certain how you intend to win against a Superfriends style list, either.

I believe you will have a good time agaist Eldar and most other lists, however. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/691401/8667076.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/691401/8667076.page GMT Re:[1850] - Khorne Daemonkin - ITC Tournament List
rusty4tw wrote:
Your list is pretty solid, but I think there are some much needed improvements. Your draft has great purpose, but isnt exactly optimized for the strengths of Khorne Daemomkin. Here are a few minor tweaks which would significantly improve your list:

1: Blood Host Detachment! You have a Core (Slaughtercult), a Command (Insensate Bloodthirster), and an Auxiliary (Gorepack). The extra Blood Tithe per turn is a HUGE benefit!

2: Reread your rulebook. Anytime one of your characters is removed from play, you get 1 Blood Tithe! Upgrade those Bloodletter squads with a Bloodreaper.

3: Find the points for 2 Cultists and 2 Spawn in your Slaughtercult. They are cheap, easy ways to get Blood Tithe boosts, and you will need it to deal with the stuff ITC lists will throw at you.

I do not believe you have a chance against a Space Marine Gladius without Heldrakes. Riptide Wing with Stormsurges will also tear through this list. I am not certain how you intend to win against a Superfriends style list, either.

I believe you will have a good time agaist Eldar and most other lists, however.


Thanks for your input!

1. I've run CAD & Gorepack x2 in the past, and I agree that the extra blood tithe is a huge bonus, it's the reason I'm bothering with the possessed tax.

2. Unfortunately under the ITC FAQ friendly characters only grant a blood tithe when removed by a challenge. I don't see bloodletters surviving that long, but what points elsewhere in the list would you drop? The most obvious I can see are the melta bombs on the bikes.

3. Are the cultists worth dropping a squad of bloodletters? And as far as finding points to get 2x spawn I just don't think I can in this list without dropping hounds or bikes, which are both better than spawn. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/691401/8667186.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/691401/8667186.page GMT [1850] - Khorne Daemonkin - ITC Tournament List
exaltedrage05 wrote:
skycapt44 wrote:
I'd reduce the dog units to be all 10 man packs to have more units and therefore more blood tithes and objective grabbers. Finding a rhino for the possessed would be nice as well to shot them up forward.


I'm a little worried about the survivability of the juggerlord with only 10 hounds in the unit. Do you think I can safely drop the number?

I figure the possessed are a straight tax. My original plan was to deep strike them in a far corner for linebreaker. If I give them a rhino what would their new job be, and what should I drop to afford the rhino?


10 dogs is an extra 20 wounds with a 5++ and having the extra unit to take objectives or spread out your lines is quite valuable. It is very challanging to manage 20 dogs on the table. It is a massive foot print. I find KDK are best with MIN units. Possessed can't deep strike and 150 points for a tax is a decent unit that can harm someone who isn't careful. The key is getting them there hence the rhino and extra blood tithe from said rhino. Just my opinion and food for thought. With all your other fast units getting line breaker shouldn't be too hard (plus you can always summon in additional units with your tithes). I'd look at taking spawn over the third bloodletter unit in your slaughter cult]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/691401/8667527.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/691401/8667527.page GMT Re:[1850] - Khorne Daemonkin - ITC Tournament List
exaltedrage05 wrote:
rusty4tw wrote:
Your list is pretty solid, but I think there are some much needed improvements. Your draft has great purpose, but isnt exactly optimized for the strengths of Khorne Daemomkin. Here are a few minor tweaks which would significantly improve your list:

1: Blood Host Detachment! You have a Core (Slaughtercult), a Command (Insensate Bloodthirster), and an Auxiliary (Gorepack). The extra Blood Tithe per turn is a HUGE benefit!

2: Reread your rulebook. Anytime one of your characters is removed from play, you get 1 Blood Tithe! Upgrade those Bloodletter squads with a Bloodreaper.

3: Find the points for 2 Cultists and 2 Spawn in your Slaughtercult. They are cheap, easy ways to get Blood Tithe boosts, and you will need it to deal with the stuff ITC lists will throw at you.

I do not believe you have a chance against a Space Marine Gladius without Heldrakes. Riptide Wing with Stormsurges will also tear through this list. I am not certain how you intend to win against a Superfriends style list, either.

I believe you will have a good time agaist Eldar and most other lists, however.


Thanks for your input!

1. I've run CAD & Gorepack x2 in the past, and I agree that the extra blood tithe is a huge bonus, it's the reason I'm bothering with the possessed tax.

2. Unfortunately under the ITC FAQ friendly characters only grant a blood tithe when removed by a challenge. I don't see bloodletters surviving that long, but what points elsewhere in the list would you drop? The most obvious I can see are the melta bombs on the bikes.

3. Are the cultists worth dropping a squad of bloodletters? And as far as finding points to get 2x spawn I just don't think I can in this list without dropping hounds or bikes, which are both better than spawn.


So you are running it as a Blood Host then? That is swell. It is a pretty huge boon in most games. And you are right, Characters have to slay or be slain in a challenge if they are to award Blood Tithe.

I would drop a couple dogs and take the spawn. Why? Because each one is a potential new Blood Tithe point. So even though dogs are better than spawn per point, having another unit is better than not. And yes, it is totally worth dropping a unit of Bloodletters to take cultists instead. To use the really good Blood Tithe abilities, such as summoning a Daemon Prince or a Bloodthirster, you need fodder to sacrifice to the dark gods that isn't a Daemon. When taken in a slaughtercult, you can also choose to remove them for the Blood Tithe point when they fail morale, which is handy.

Your lord is definitely killy. But I propose a different solution. You could save yourself a lot of points if you made him a martyr. Drop the fist and the claws, take the sigil down to an aura, and give him the Axe of Ruin instead of the fancy armor. That way, when he dies in combat, you get a Bloodthirster that pops out of his corpse like a jack-in-the-box. According to the new FAQs, you get to choose the type as well! The axe itself isn't bad either... it's AP2 that strikes at initiative and causes Instant Death on 6's.

Just my 2 cents, your list does look pretty solid as-is and you probably would do just about as well as you can expect KDK to do these days! Good luck at your tournament!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/691401/8667531.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/691401/8667531.page GMT [1850] - Khorne Daemonkin - ITC Tournament List
skycapt44 wrote:
exaltedrage05 wrote:
skycapt44 wrote:
I'd reduce the dog units to be all 10 man packs to have more units and therefore more blood tithes and objective grabbers. Finding a rhino for the possessed would be nice as well to shot them up forward.


I'm a little worried about the survivability of the juggerlord with only 10 hounds in the unit. Do you think I can safely drop the number?

I figure the possessed are a straight tax. My original plan was to deep strike them in a far corner for linebreaker. If I give them a rhino what would their new job be, and what should I drop to afford the rhino?


10 dogs is an extra 20 wounds with a 5++ and having the extra unit to take objectives or spread out your lines is quite valuable. It is very challanging to manage 20 dogs on the table. It is a massive foot print. I find KDK are best with MIN units. Possessed can't deep strike and 150 points for a tax is a decent unit that can harm someone who isn't careful. The key is getting them there hence the rhino and extra blood tithe from said rhino. Just my opinion and food for thought. With all your other fast units getting line breaker shouldn't be too hard (plus you can always summon in additional units with your tithes). I'd look at taking spawn over the third bloodletter unit in your slaughter cult


I think you're right about splitting the dog groups, I'll incorporate that into my list.

For some reason I thought Daemon granted Deep Strike. So, not good, I've been playing Possessed wrong for a while. Right now I'm debating between additional Chaos Spawn and a Rhino - both are Blood Tithe bait but the Rhino has the synergy with helping the Possessed out. I'll post an updated list as an edit in a few minutes.


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 FoxPhoenix135 wrote:

So you are running it as a Blood Host then? That is swell. It is a pretty huge boon in most games. And you are right, Characters have to slay or be slain in a challenge if they are to award Blood Tithe.

I would drop a couple dogs and take the spawn. Why? Because each one is a potential new Blood Tithe point. So even though dogs are better than spawn per point, having another unit is better than not. And yes, it is totally worth dropping a unit of Bloodletters to take cultists instead. To use the really good Blood Tithe abilities, such as summoning a Daemon Prince or a Bloodthirster, you need fodder to sacrifice to the dark gods that isn't a Daemon. When taken in a slaughtercult, you can also choose to remove them for the Blood Tithe point when they fail morale, which is handy.

Your lord is definitely killy. But I propose a different solution. You could save yourself a lot of points if you made him a martyr. Drop the fist and the claws, take the sigil down to an aura, and give him the Axe of Ruin instead of the fancy armor. That way, when he dies in combat, you get a Bloodthirster that pops out of his corpse like a jack-in-the-box. According to the new FAQs, you get to choose the type as well! The axe itself isn't bad either... it's AP2 that strikes at initiative and causes Instant Death on 6's.

Just my 2 cents, your list does look pretty solid as-is and you probably would do just about as well as you can expect KDK to do these days! Good luck at your tournament!


I'm really torn on the dogs. One one hand I want to bring units that are strong in the first couple of turns and can challenge maelstrom objectives. If I bring weaker units (I only own one Chaos Spawn at the moment so I'll have to buy another if I go this route) that are there for blood tithe, they die early to ... summon hounds that I could have brought anyways? I suppose there's lots more versatility with the tithe as I can summon more powerful daemons (although the last two times I've tried summoning Bloodthirsters I've failed a LD9 morale so I'm bitter) and Spawn can move just as fast and tie up some units as well as dogs.

I like the idea of the axe lord. Unfortunately I'm WYSIWYG for the claws/fist right now so I'll have to try the axe in a fun game soon. I don't think I can select the type of Bloodthirster, I think that's a psychic summoning thing and not a KDK thing, as the KDK summon specifies Unfettered Fury.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/691401/8667707.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/691401/8667707.page GMT [1850] - Khorne Daemonkin - ITC Tournament List http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/691401/8667778.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/691401/8667778.page GMT