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				<title>[2000] - Ultramarines - All comers list, looking for feedback.</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Been out of the game for a while, looking for some feedback before I go ahead make some purchasing choices.<br /> <br /> I haven't played in 7th edition, but I've got myself a rulebook and a codex and it seems as though the dual force org lists I've usually run, using all available heavy support slots are still legal, I really want to avoid unbound lists, though I'm sure I'll come up against them when I return to my local club.<br /> <br /> I like <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(167);'>TAC</span> termies a lot and with the points drop in the new codex, it doesn't seem like you're hamstringing your self too much by bringing them along, in fact 200 pts with <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(5);'>AC</span> and Chainfist seems like a pretty good deal to me. They're also there to give some ablative wounds to my beatstick <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQs</span>. The idea with them is to hold them back as a counter assault unit or teleport deep strike them if it seems appropriate for the situation.<br /> <br /> Also a quick question, is <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(60);'>IA</span> Aeronautica still the most recent ruleset for the contemptor mortis dread, because that is what I'm using, has the rule set been updated in my absence?<br /> <br /> The list is quite heavy in firepower, well at least 40 Assault cannon shots, 8 las cannons and 2 whirlwinds, it seems that way to me, but maybe that's not a great deal in today's meta.<br /> <br /> Oh and about the whirlwinds, I know most would say squeeze in <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(420);'>TFCs</span> if possible, I've always found AP4 ordnance to be really useful for dislodging 4+ troops from behind cover with the vengeance round, plus I can almost get 2 whirlwinds for the cost of 1 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(420);'>TFC</span>.<br /> <br /> I also take a nicely converted Lysander as my warlord, I know I'm not running imperial fists, but this gives me eternal warrior warlord while freeing up the shield eternal for my beatstick libby. Open to suggestions however and I have other options available. Take chapter master with shield eternal, Libby gets downgraded to storm shield, is 2 wounds really worth eternal warrior + will be rolling biomancy and could get it anyway?<br /> <br /> So here's the list:<br /> <br /> <u><b><span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span></b></u><br /> <br /> Lysander	<br /> <u><b>230</b></u><br /> 	<br /> Librarian<br /> Mastery Level 2<br /> Terminator Armour<br /> Shield Eternal<br /> <u><b>165</b></u><br /> <br /> <u><b>Elite</b></u><br /> 	<br /> Terminators x 5<br /> Assault Cannons x 1<br /> Chainfist x1<br /> <u><b>200</b></u><br /> <br /> <u><b>Troops</b></u><br /> <br /> Scout Squad<br /> Cammo Cloaks x5 <br /> Sniper Rifiles x5<br /> <u><b>70</b></u><br /> 	<br /> Scout Squad<br /> Camo Cloaks x5<br /> Sniper Rifiles x4<br /> Heavy Bolter<br /> <u><b>77</b></u><br /> <br /> Tactical Squad<br /> Tactical Marine x1<br /> Grav Gun x1<br /> Combi Grav<br /> Drop Pod<br /> <b><u>144</u></b><br /> 	<br /> Tactical Squad<br /> Tactical Marine x1<br /> Grav Gun x1<br /> Combi Grav<br /> Drop Pod<br /> <u><b>144</b></u><br /> <br /> <u><b>Heavy Support</b></u><br /> 	<br /> Contemptor mortis dreadnought<br /> Kheres pattern assault cannons<br /> <u><b>180</b></u><br /> 	<br /> Contemptor mortis dreadnought<br /> Kheres pattern assault cannons<br /> <u><b>180</b></u><br /> 	<br /> Contemptor mortis dreadnought<br /> Kheres pattern assault cannons<br /> <u><b>180</b></u><br /> 	<br /> Devastator Squad<br /> Las Cannon x4<br /> <u><b>150</b></u><br /> 	<br /> Devastator Squad<br /> Las Cannon x4<br /> <u><b>150</b></u><br /> 	<br /> Whirlwind x2 	<br /> <u><b>130</b></u><br /> 	<br /> <u><b>Total 2000</b></u><br /> <br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<author><![CDATA[ Mike712]]></author>
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