em_en_oh_pee wrote:
Pinion doesn't have Obj. Sec. That was the main reason.

Really don't think the Raptor Wing is worthwhile? Cheap air support that arrives T1 on a 4+.

Admittadly, dropping it gives me more upgrades and lets me go for LSS Scouts. Sooo... might be a good call.

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:
Kinda skips the Drop Pod idea I was hoping to use to make a more meaningful alpha strike with. I do like the LSS idea a lot.

Any word on that IC with Formation thing? I am still hopeful I can toss my CM into the SSKT.

 Xenomancers wrote:

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:
Kinda skips the Drop Pod idea I was hoping to use to make a more meaningful alpha strike with. I do like the LSS idea a lot.

Any word on that IC with Formation thing? I am still hopeful I can toss my CM into the SSKT.

From what i hear on dakka now the answer is no. Pre FAQ everyone thought it was fine. My personal opinion is they can't but we will see when the official FAQ comes out.

I can tell you from personal experience though that LSS are Amazing - stars on the battlefield every time I play them. Blinding a unit before you charge it with VV is going to insure you crush whatever that squad is - maybe even a wolfstar if you get lucky. (it would have to be before they got powers up.)

KillswitchUK wrote:
The link to the faq actually reads underneath that they made a mistake and that ic do not benefit from formation or unit rules. Read it on the Facebook picture underneath

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:
Oh my god.... You mean I had to READ the comments of a FB post. Sigh.

Well hell, I guess I will just trim his fat or make him a Chappy and stick him with the Drop Pod Assault Squad. Gives them a bit more longevity anyhow.

I may have points to go Grav in the Tac Squads if I rework it a bit. Might give me better punch.

This has all been extremely helpful. I will rework the list and repost it at some point today (when I am at home, not at work!).

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:
Kinda skips the Drop Pod idea I was hoping to use to make a more meaningful alpha strike with. I do like the LSS idea a lot.

Any word on that IC with Formation thing? I am still hopeful I can toss my CM into the SSKT.

From what i hear on dakka now the answer is no. Pre FAQ everyone thought it was fine. My personal opinion is they can't but we will see when the official FAQ comes out.

I can tell you from personal experience though that LSS are Amazing - stars on the battlefield every time I play them. Blinding a unit before you charge it with VV is going to insure you crush whatever that squad is - maybe even a wolfstar if you get lucky. (it would have to be before they got powers up.)

I posted a pic from the FB FAQ that seems to say that you can put an IC into a formation and get the rules. I know they aren't 100% official yet, but it seems likely they won't change the rulings themselves.

I got to pick up a few LSS now. Thanks!

 Xenomancers wrote:
Still a lot of vanguards not carrying weapons. I'd say drop a body from each vanguard squad if you can't find the points for more power weapons - they absolutely must have power weapons to be effective. They don't need to be able to combat squad ether - they can disorganized charge and still get +1 attack. Also a neat trick you can use with vanguards is equip a LC to your powerfist - both are specialist weapons so you get +1 attack with ether weapon as you choose - and they are only 5 points! Gotta do it man.

Another small thing - flamer on LSS - I'd keep it as a HB because you can still shoot it when you jink. Also with an assault unit inside - the heavy flamer will just make your charge harder but likely wont have much else to shoot at.

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
Still a lot of vanguards not carrying weapons. I'd say drop a body from each vanguard squad if you can't find the points for more power weapons - they absolutely must have power weapons to be effective. They don't need to be able to combat squad ether - they can disorganized charge and still get +1 attack. Also a neat trick you can use with vanguards is equip a LC to your powerfist - both are specialist weapons so you get +1 attack with ether weapon as you choose - and they are only 5 points! Gotta do it man.

Another small thing - flamer on LSS - I'd keep it as a HB because you can still shoot it when you jink. Also with an assault unit inside - the heavy flamer will just make your charge harder but likely wont have much else to shoot at.

Awesome point about the disorganized charge. Forgot all about that. Well, just a few guys cut absolutely buys me a few more power weapons. Just dropping one guy per squad nets me four power weapons. Trading a single body for a drastically increased ability to kill seems a good idea. Plus, painting all those glow effects will be fun.

As for the LSS, I like having the HF just for the sake of tossing the template out on squishy campers (did this with my IG all the time), but I see your point. Likely will magnetize and see what works best for me. Likely will be the HBs, but options are good!

 Xenomancers wrote:
Looks great. Is the imperial space marine supposed to be included? Glad you were able to get one - I missed my chance. Good hunting.

 Brother Payne wrote:
Nice. I'm yet to use my Imperial Marine, looking forward to it though

I figured I might as well get some use from the guy. That gun is gross.

 Sarigar wrote:
With the Talon Strike Force, you can take take a Captain with Cataphracti Armor. He has Slow and Purposeful which could confer to the Devastators. The Captain can also act as a bit of a wound soaker for the unit. I'd place the Captain and Chaplain in a 5 strong Dev unit to tank wounds an try to keep this unit firing a full strength while taking advantage of Slow and Purposeful.

 jpwyrm wrote:
Hadn't thought about cataphractii armor, good idea. I just played a game vs Tau yesterday with a list very similar to this one albeit at the 1850pts lvl. We played mission 2 from Kau'yon and it was a blast!

I can't praise scouts and LSS enough. They did their job superbly and manage to stay alive throughout the game, killing stuff and scoring objectives at the end of the game. I tried assault cannon on the storms and I was amazed at how effective this weapon is on those guys (thanks BS4). I would strongly suggest taking three scout squads in the kill team. This should prevent bad outflanking rolls and, as I said, these guys are worth their weight in gold!

 jpwyrm wrote:
Depends on what you're facing but in general yes. If you play against heavy drop pod armies or your opponent reserved much of his force in the hope of countering your vanguard's, then it might be a good move to Outflank the scouts.

On top of that, notice that nothing says that the scouts have to be on the table for the ...On target special rule to take effect. Thus, you can Outflank the scouts were needed, then drop the Vanguard to spearhead your attack.

 jpwyrm wrote:
You can bring two from outflank then drop the vanguards 9" from the two squads sergeant. Just another way to do it

 Brother Payne wrote:

 Sarigar wrote:
With the Talon Strike Force, you can take take a Captain with Cataphracti Armor. He has Slow and Purposeful which could confer to the Devastators. The Captain can also act as a bit of a wound soaker for the unit. I'd place the Captain and Chaplain in a 5 strong Dev unit to tank wounds an try to keep this unit firing a full strength while taking advantage of Slow and Purposeful.

This is actually a really neat idea! Might have to put it to use myself

Edit: This would also give you a much more definitive role for your HQ. Good call imo.

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:
Effective, yes. To me, it's kinda against the spirit of the game a bit. Just seems a bit too win-more. I will stick to the Chappy, if only for an excuse to paint one. Thanks for all the advice everyone!