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130--Farseer Skyrunner w/ Spirit Stones of Anathlan

______TROOPS_________
81---3 Windriders w/ 1 Scatter laser & 2 Shuricannons
81---3 Windriders w/ 1 Scatter laser & 2 Shuricannons
81---3 Windriders w/ 1 Scatter laser & 2 Shuricannons
81---3 Windriders w/ 1 Scatter laser & 2 Shuricannons

81---3 Windriders w/ 3 Scatter lasers
81---3 Windriders w/ 3 Scatter lasers

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80—Hornet w/ 2 Pulse Lasers
80—Hornet w/ 2 Pulse Lasers
160—2 Hornets w/ 2 Pulse Lasers each

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95---2 Shadow Weaver Platform w/ 1 Warlock

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345—Skathach WraithKnight
w/ Inferno lances & 2 Scatter lasers

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120—Void Shield Generator w/ 3 Shields & 2 Barricades
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Battle Plan:
Everything deploys within the VSG shields to prevent an enemy Alpha Strike. The Farseer joins the Shadow Weaver unit and casts Prescience and Guide on the Hornet Squad, the WK, or one of the bike units depending on the need. I'll roll 1 power on Telepathy fishing for Invis or Shrouding, but swap for Shriek if I don't get either.

The bikes have mixed weapons for 2 reasons. 1) I don't have all my bike modeled with Scatters and 2) I actually like Shuricannons better for theme and purpose, only having 1 Scatter per 3 bike in those units just so that they can be some use if I need to stay in the VSG and outside 24"

A note on the VSG. I have been using it quite a bit lately and I have found that it forces many opponents to rush closer, which helps get my Shuricannons in range. The other funny thing that has happened a few times is my opponent gets within the shield range and I (being Eldar) move far away, causing me to have to down my own shield to shoot at his units. This has made me very wary of deploying near objectives so that I can lure enemies into the VSG where no objective are.

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When using Hornets, I would say that 3 is really enough. You have the right idea with taking them in separate squads so the squad of 2 I would just make it one and save some points.

I am also wondering why it is that you make the bike units have different load-outs in the same squad?

Also, instead of a Night Spinner, perhaps you should take a look at Warpp Hunters.
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The mixed load out on the bikes is an experiment of mine. I love shuricannons overall, but have found that units with just shuricannons often miss out on range. Having 1 Scatter laser in the unit keeps them useful in the early turns, while still giving me the Bladestorm goodness of the shuricannons once things inevitably get closer.
So far it is working out fairly nice. I run theme in a "V" formation with the shuricannons up front and just in range of the unit I am firing on. The Scatter laser model at the rear is at max coherency and fires last.

In Tournies, I always go full Scatter lasers if just for simplicity's sake.

I think the only reason I am fielding 4 Hornets is because I will be testing this out using my 4 DE Venoms as the Hornets. I am OCD about using all 4 models I own at once. All or none.
Plus, having 1 units of 2 can maximize Guide or Prescience.

Overall though, what do you think is better: 4 Hornets as I have them listed above? Or 3 separate Hornets with Holofileds?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/692617/8690022.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/692617/8690022.page GMT [1500] - Eldar - trying out FW stuff for the first time
That is an interesting concept with the bikes... but if you do that math and work out the amount of hits you would get if you just used all scatter lasers, considering they are almost always in range, you will do more wounds because of the extra rounds of shooting despite the bladestorm rule. that is my experience anyway.

I think using the Hornets in different sized units will also give you a good feel for how differently they opperate (what with both jinking or being vulnerable to one squad's firepower instead of 2 units shooting at 2 separate Hornets. It would be good for experiment purposes.

I would personally go with having the 4 Hornets because putting Holo-Fields on such a cheap vehicle that can just jink doesn't make much sense to me, especially with its low armour value. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/692617/8690081.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/692617/8690081.page GMT [1500] - Eldar - trying out FW stuff for the first time
 Farseer of Angau wrote:

That is an interesting concept with the bikes... but if you do that math and work out the amount of hits you would get if you just used all scatter lasers, considering they are almost always in range, you will do more wounds because of the extra rounds of shooting despite the bladestorm rule. that is my experience anyway.


This is true for most targets. The exception is anything with T6+ with a +3 or better Armour save. Shuricannons are marginally better at causing wounds to these targets. I see plenty of Hive Tyrants, Riptides, Mechanicus T7 thingies, Deamon Princes, etc
I guess my love of the Shuricannon is more of a statement about how bad I feel when I play all Scatter lasers. They are brutally efficient. Having to get closer and having 1 less shot tends to keep more friends, despite the fact that I average close to the same results.

What do you think of the Skatach WK w/ Inferno lances? The idea is for it to fill the same role as the Wraithcannon WK, but with less of a "win=big, loss-big" syndrome. Plus it seems better equipped to deal with MSU armies. I can't tell you how many games I have played with the stock WK and he had no really good targets for the D.

Overall I want this army to have tons of Str8 AP1/2 and loads of Str6 shots. Hypothetically, if I dropped the 4th Hornet and just had 3 separate units, what would the extra points be used for?

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What do you think of the Skatach WK w/ Inferno lances? The idea is for it to fill the same role as the Wraithcannon WK, but with less of a "win=big, loss-big" syndrome. Plus it seems better equipped to deal with MSU armies. I can't tell you how many games I have played with the stock WK and he had no really good targets for the D.

Overall I want this army to have tons of Str8 AP1/2 and loads of Str6 shots. Hypothetically, if I dropped the 4th Hornet and just had 3 separate units, what would the extra points be used for?

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i bought the Deathshroud Cannon Skathatch Wraithknight a week ago. I haven't tested him yet but i did consider the roles of the wraithknight and taking that over the inferno version was difficult. However, ultimately, there are other things in my collection that I want to deal with high armour targets like my Hornets, Warp Hunters, Crimson Death formation etc. So with that in mind, it really depends on the rest of the army. In this build, he works with ether load out.

I also have the Stock Knight so sometimes I get to run both, but I can see that argument that you dont have any targets for the D-Cannons - but thats a reason why a lot of players take the sword and Board so he can engage those units with power weapons and still survive.

If you want a lot of high strength, low ap weapons, Crimson Hunters, Hornets and Warp Hunters are your 'go to.']]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/692617/8690274.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/692617/8690274.page GMT [1500] - Eldar - trying out FW stuff for the first time http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/692617/8690314.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/692617/8690314.page GMT [1500] - Eldar - trying out FW stuff for the first time http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/692617/8690809.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/692617/8690809.page GMT [1500] - Eldar - trying out FW stuff for the first time http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/692617/8696941.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/692617/8696941.page GMT