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				<title>[1500] - Ultramarines - 2 Tournament Lists - Looking for CC</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ I am attending a tournaming later this month. It is restricted to 1500 points battle forged army with a maximum of 1 LOW. Death from the Skies is not used, no <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(39);'>FW</span> either. The army may not include more than 2 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span>, 6 TROOP, 3 FAST ATTACK and 3 HEAVY SUPPORT choices regardless of chosen formations.<br /> <br /> This a large tournament and I will be facing things like scatbike/warpspider/WK Eldar, Necrons, Tau that spams riptides with a Stormsurge.<br /> <br /> I want to try being competitive. Here are my two proposed lists, be aware, they are completely different from each other:<br /> <br /> List 1: <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(683);'>CAD</span> + IK<br /> <br /> <div style="margin-top:5px; margin-bottom:10px;">
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<br /> ++ Imperial Knights: Codex (2015) (IK Oathsworn Detachment) (375pts) ++<br /> <br /> + Lord of War (375pts) +<br /> <br /> Knight Warden (375pts) [Heavy Stubber, Reaper Chainsword]<br /> <br /> ++ Space Marines: Codex (2015) (Combined Arms Detachment) (1124pts) ++<br /> <br /> + (No Category) +<br /> <br /> Chapter Tactics [Ultramarines]<br /> <br /> + <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span> (165pts) +<br /> <br /> Chief Librarian Tigurius (165pts)<br /> <br /> + Troops (444pts) +<br /> <br /> Scout Squad (70pts) [Camo Cloaks, 4x Scouts, 4x Sniper Rifle]<br /> ····Scout Sergeant [Bolt Pistol, Sniper Rifle]<br /> <br /> Tactical Squad (139pts) [Imperial Space Marine (30th), Meltagun, 4x Space Marines]<br /> ····Drop Pod [Storm Bolter]<br /> ····Space Marine Sergeant [Bolt Pistol, Combi-melta]<br /> <br /> Tactical Squad (125pts) [Meltagun, 4x Space Marines]<br /> ····Drop Pod [Storm Bolter]<br /> ····Space Marine Sergeant [Bolt Pistol, Combi-melta]<br /> <br /> Tactical Squad (110pts) [Flamer, Rhino, 4x Space Marines]<br /> ····Space Marine Sergeant [Bolt Pistol, Boltgun]<br /> <br /> + Fast Attack (265pts) +<br /> <br /> Drop Pod (35pts) [Storm Bolter]<br /> <br /> Stormtalon Gunship (115pts) [Skyhammer Missle Launcher]<br /> <br /> Stormtalon Gunship (115pts) [Skyhammer Missle Launcher]<br /> <br /> + Heavy Support (250pts) +<br /> <br /> Centurion Devastator Squad (250pts)<br /> ····Centurion [Grav-cannon and Grav-<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(243);'>amp</span>, Hurricane Bolter]<br /> ····Centurion [Grav-cannon and Grav-<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(243);'>amp</span>, Hurricane Bolter]<br /> ····Centurion Sergeant [Grav-cannon and Grav-<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(243);'>amp</span>, Hurricane Bolter, Omniscope]<br /> 
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<br /> ++ Space Marines: Codex (2015) (Formation Detachment) (1115pts) ++<br /> <br /> + Formation (1115pts) +<br /> <br /> 'Raptor Wing * (295pts)<br /> ····Land Speeders<br /> ········Land Speeder [Assault Cannon, Heavy Bolter]<br /> ····Stormtalon Gunship [Skyhammer Missle Launcher]<br /> ····Stormtalon Gunship [Skyhammer Missle Launcher]<br /> <br /> 'Skyhammer Annihilation Force (820pts)<br /> ····Assault Squad [2x Flamer, Jump Packs, 4x Space Marines]<br /> ········Space Marine Sergeant [Bolt Pistol, Chainsword]<br /> ····Assault Squad [2x Flamer, Jump Packs, 4x Space Marines]<br /> ········Space Marine Sergeant [Bolt Pistol, Chainsword]<br /> ····Devastator Squad [4x Grav-cannon and Grav-<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(243);'>amp</span>, 9x Space Marines]<br /> ········Drop Pod [Storm Bolter]<br /> ········Space Marine Sergeant [Bolt Pistol, Boltgun]<br /> ····Devastator Squad [4x Grav-cannon and Grav-<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(243);'>amp</span>, 9x Space Marines]<br /> ········Drop Pod [Storm Bolter]<br /> ········Space Marine Sergeant [Bolt Pistol, Boltgun]<br /> <br /> ++ Imperial Knights: Codex (2015) (IK Oathsworn Detachment) (385pts) ++<br /> <br /> + Lord of War (385pts) +<br /> <br /> Knight Warden (385pts) [Heavy Stubber, Thunderstrike Gaunlet]<br /> 
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</div><br /> <br /> Which one is better? What would you change? Do you have any suggestions for competitive 1500 point lists?]]></description>
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				<author><![CDATA[ thefonkleurrr]]></author>
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				<title>Re:[1500] - Ultramarines - 2 Tournament Lists - Looking for CC</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Not bad, the 1st list looks like more <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(167);'>TAC</span>, maybe able to win the game in a War of attrition way, the 2nd one looks more like a all or nothing.<br /> <br /> If facing those top tier <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(280);'>OP</span> army, I think I might choose 2nd list for its alpha strike potential. You are might face a army that can dish out 100+ S6 shots plus possibly D templates all on super mobil platforms. Your 15 space marines will not be able to hold for more than 2 rounds of shooting.  You will eventually get piecemeal before you could grab enough maelstorm objective points, especially if you draws "kill a unit" type mission and found that all what you are able to shoot at is WK and Warp Spiders who are next tolarge <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(85);'>LOS</span> blocking terrain, plus your Centurion Star is now being tied up by 5 Striking Scorpions with Klaw Exarch. In such view, launching an overwhleming alpha strike may be your only chance of winning. Although you still need to pray that everything goes just as planned. <img src="/s/i/a/a0063ed0e1a62441a38f6206bd3f5ad7.gif" border="0"> <br /> <br /> Besides, I have a few idea for your 1st list. It looks like 15 Tactical Marines are not enough, I suggest if you want Tactical Squads to win the War of attrition, take At Least 30 of them and load them in Droppod or Rhinos. A friend of mine has such a play style you might make reference if you want: he runs 4+ Tactical Squads in Rhinos, all 10men with melta gun, 3+ 10men Scouts (by 10th Company formation), some take Snipers some takes <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(260);'>BP</span> and <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(20);'>CCW</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span> being Sergeant Telion, and one IK Gallent. If there are points left, then he takes either a Vindicator to attract fire or some assault squads, every Sergeant take a meltabomb. This simple but very efficient army combined with his playing skills had defeated many <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(280);'>OP</span> army, including my Necron, Ironhand Smashfucker; my other friends' Jetseer+Archon shadow field+WK Eldar ally army, and a Flyrant spam army.<br /> <br /> Anyway good luck in the Tournament <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0"> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<author><![CDATA[ Neophyte2012]]></author>
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