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Upgrading to a Champion changes the model's name (from "Deathwing Terminator" to "Deathwing Champion"), only a "Deathwing Terminator" (i.e. model named X) can take from the Terminator Heavy Weapons list, and upgrading to a Champion replaces all of the model's weapons, so regardless of the order they occur in, it is not allowed.

This is similar (but sufficiently different) to standard command squad apothecaries taking special weapons, which gets a mention in the new FAQ's GW are working on.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/694547/8729135.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/694547/8729135.page GMT
SB or cyclone missile launcher?

Note I do have a level 2 lib there so powers do come into effect]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/694547/8729138.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/694547/8729138.page GMT Both

A CML terminator can fire both it, and it's stormbolter, in the same turn (check out the rule on page 149 of the DA Codex).

Generally, when I'm taking a CML on my terminators, it's to use Split Fire to shoot the CML at a different (normally armoured or distant) target, so the SB doesn't always get used. Why would you pay for the expensive upgrade if you weren't going to use it?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/694547/8729735.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/694547/8729735.page GMT