http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/14.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net BA lore better than most. Plus I like the close quarter/fast combat army. Here is a list I was looking at for a 1850 goal not looking for "competitive list" but I would like a decent chance of winning without relying on really good rolls.

I'll be getting all of the special characters save tycho and astorath.

Baal strike force

both HQs with terminators

HQs 290
Mephiston
Corbulo


Troops: 385
5 man tac, heavy flamer, two hand held flamers w/ drop pod
5 man tac, heavy flamer, two hand held flamers w/ drop pod
5 man tac, melta gun, w/ drop pod

Elites: 785
7 man clawinators
Deathcompany dreadnaught w/ blood talon w/ drop pod
Deathcompany dreadnaught w/ blood talon w/ drop pod
Furioso w/ fragcannon w/ drop pod

Fast attack: 390
10 man assault squad 2 melta guns combat squad
10 man assault squad 2 melta gunscombat squad

Idea would be to have the dreads cause them to focus on back field, the clawinator w/ mephy and corb in middle flanked by assualt squads that, while combat squaded normally go after units together, or if need be split off to allow the melta's to tank hunt.

tacs are for horde/weaker unit clear out and objective grabbing. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/695278/8747769.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/695278/8747769.page GMT th&ss in the termi squad. Put them out front and they will do quite well at tanking hits for the rest of the squad since they have their 3++ against ap1/2.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/695278/8749407.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/695278/8749407.page GMT
Also, don't use Baal strike force. The conditional init isn't worth giving up obj sec.

Lose the tac squad with single melta and drop in ASM with double melta plus combi melta on sarge.

Lose the hand flamers.

Don't ever use lighting claws. AP 3 sucks. Always go TH/SS.

DC dreads are only AV 12 on the front. Forget them. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/695278/8749422.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/695278/8749422.page GMT DC dreads getting +2 attacks it makes them that much better. I'm more partial to the frag cannon(I love it) but DC dreads are pretty nice with, what, 8 attacks on the charge now? (Str 10 ap2 mind)

And most armies that can shoot down a dread easily won't care about front armor, they will either be mobile enough to get that side/rear or have a high enough strength to punch through.

I disagree with Martel, I much prefer the +1 initiative . It's saved my guys from dieing tons of times. Higher initiative Is a big deal, especially when combined with furious charge, blood angel tacs/assualt squads are much deadlier than other marines this way.

I'd drop the stray tac with melta and get a libby with the rage staff. And slap him in a tac squad or the assualt group.

Don't listen to these Lightning claws nay-sayers. Ap 3 at Int 5(or 6 on charge) is great. Not to mention Str 5(or 4) with shred. Hopefully mephy can roll the power that gives rage to a unit.


Hand flamers... I've had games where they did great, others, they were wasted points. So, YMMV. But I wouldn't say they are bad.



]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/695278/8751254.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/695278/8751254.page GMT th&ss out front to tank ap2 shots would be nice. If mephy's going on sanguinary, quickening on a lc termi Sergeant can be scary in a challenge ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/695278/8751300.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/695278/8751300.page GMT
But still really crappy.

Obj sec often lets you just get points in the movement phase without having to fire a shot. Given that BA are not that good at shooting OR assault in 7th ed, this is a very valuable ability. I've tried Baal strike force many times. It's not worth it. The init is too situational.

"Don't listen to these Lightning claws nay-sayers. Ap 3 at Int 5(or 6 on charge) is great."

Lightning claws are crap. You need to be able to engage 2+ armor or any and all assault ICs will rip you to shreds, and 2+ armor just shows up randomly as well. Also, 2+ armor can tarpit you badly; 3+ armor really can't. You are also giving up a 3++ save to field lightning claws. Madness.

"what, 8 attacks on the charge now? (Str 10 ap2 mind) "

No one's going to let you charge with the thing. The beauty of the fragnought is you need interceptor to prevent it from doing it's work. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/695278/8755143.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/695278/8755143.page GMT ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/695278/8756426.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/695278/8756426.page GMT