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				<description><![CDATA[ Hi there, I'm planning to do doubles 30k with a friend of mine (750pts each). He's running Nightlords built around assaults + fear tactics - I've decided to complement that with models I'm working on, so Admech (or Dark Mech in this case). <br /> What do you think of the following list in support of Night Lords? How competitive is it and what would you change to make it more so?<br /> <br /> Thanks in Advance.<br /> <br /> Magos Prime Ordinator (Archmagos Prime) w/ Abeyant, Conversion Beamer + Infravisor<br />  - We still wanted long range fire support and so decided to keep the Ordinator.<br /> <br /> Thallax Cohort x3 w/ Destructor + Multi-Melta<br /> Thallax Cohort x3 w/ Destructor + Multi-Melta<br /> - The Thallax seemed to be a valuable addition, fast moving anti tank troops. <br /> <br /> Vorax Class Battle Automata x2 w/ Frag Grenades, Irad Cleansers, Enhanced Targeting Array<br /> - We wanted something scary that can scout up to support the Night Lords ASAP, a Distraction Carnifex if you will (but one that could be deadly if ignored). <br /> <br /> Thoughts? Opinions? Constructive Criticism? Thanks.]]></description>
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				<title>Re:[750] - Admech 30k Tourney Doubles? - C&amp;C Needed</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Now i'm not familiar with the latest book <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(39);'>FW</span> put out, but I've fielded Thagmata out of the first three books for <br /> years now, so forgive any dumb questions. Is this a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(683);'>CAD</span> or age of darkness detachment? If so you need <br /> another troop as Castellax can never fill you're compulsory troop slots. Second, your Castellax have paragon <br /> of metal as a squad? I was under the impression only a single model could have paragon. Assuming no <br /> paragon you need a cortex controller on your magos, and a cyber familiar is almost always worth it. Maybe <br /> make him a repair magos with a cortex controller to fix wounds on your Castellax as they will draw all of <br /> your opponents <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(482);'>AT</span> fire. Also why do the Adsecularis have grenades, point fill? Seems fairly useless to me, <br /> but to each their own. Normally i'd say you lack any real <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(19);'>CC</span> presence, but if your with night lords, he may <br /> have you covered. That being said it would be helpful for him to not have to expend alot of effort guarding <br /> your squishier elements. Were I in your shoes with so few points i'd play a horde. A magos prime Lacrymerta <br /> (sp?) and as many squads of Adsecularis as I could fit with carapace and rights of pure thought. Maybe even <br /> revenant alchemestry. A Tech priest squad of Lacrymulis to boost the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(265);'>FNP</span> in that case could be very nice. If <br /> you don't mind getting cheesy the wording on the priests could be interpreted as +1 to <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(265);'>FNP</span> per priest, unless <br /> they changed it, which I hope they did. That army is hard to buy all the models for though. Painting would be <br /> a nightmare... a compromise maybe? A bunch of hit-and-run tactics Thallax with a Jetpack magos tooled for <br /> fire suppourt. It would work well with an up and close list like night lords, be an easy army to collect and play <br /> due to low model count, and Have some nasty punch with Plasma fuslils, photon accelarators or multi-meltas.]]></description>
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				<title>Re:[750] - Admech 30k Tourney Doubles? - C&amp;C Needed</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/700d42f114e1ce0c5b082b1cf5ab610a.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/698062/8808002.page"><b>thedragondrage131 wrote:</b></a><br/>Now i'm not familiar with the latest book <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(39);'>FW</span> put out, but I've fielded Thagmata out of the first three books for <br /> years now, so forgive any dumb questions. Is this a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(683);'>CAD</span> or age of darkness detachment? If so you need <br /> another troop as Castellax can never fill you're compulsory troop slots. Second, your Castellax have paragon <br /> of metal as a squad? I was under the impression only a single model could have paragon. Assuming no <br /> paragon you need a cortex controller on your magos, and a cyber familiar is almost always worth it. Maybe <br /> make him a repair magos with a cortex controller to fix wounds on your Castellax as they will draw all of <br /> your opponents <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(482);'>AT</span> fire. Also why do the Adsecularis have grenades, point fill? Seems fairly useless to me, <br /> but to each their own. Normally i'd say you lack any real <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(19);'>CC</span> presence, but if your with night lords, he may <br /> have you covered. That being said it would be helpful for him to not have to expend alot of effort guarding <br /> your squishier elements. Were I in your shoes with so few points i'd play a horde. A magos prime Lacrymerta <br /> (sp?) and as many squads of Adsecularis as I could fit with carapace and rights of pure thought. Maybe even <br /> revenant alchemestry. A Tech priest squad of Lacrymulis to boost the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(265);'>FNP</span> in that case could be very nice. If <br /> you don't mind getting cheesy the wording on the priests could be interpreted as +1 to <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(265);'>FNP</span> per priest, unless <br /> they changed it, which I hope they did. That army is hard to buy all the models for though. Painting would be <br /> a nightmare... a compromise maybe? A bunch of hit-and-run tactics Thallax with a Jetpack magos tooled for <br /> fire suppourt. It would work well with an up and close list like night lords, be an easy army to collect and play <br /> due to low model count, and Have some nasty punch with Plasma fuslils, photon accelarators or multi-meltas.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Thanks for the response. <br /> I'm trying to write this through Battlescribe (Thagmata Darkness Detachment). <br /> Usually Battlescribe gives me a heads up with illegal combinations but it has been known to be wrong - so you say Castellax can't fill compulsory troop slots? Damn.<br /> Checked the rules again and you're right, Paragon can only be taken on one. Thanks for the heads up.<br /> Okay I need to add in the Cortex Controller, and will add in the familiar too.<br /> <br /> Your other points are also very helpful and revealing. I'm going to have to reconsider my list and decide which way I should go - Horde or Thallax.<br /> ]]></description>
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				<title>Re:[750] - Admech 30k Tourney Doubles? - C&amp;C Needed</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Let me put it to you this way, I have yet to ever regret taking thallax so my efforts would go in that direction.<br /> Adsecularis are a great wall, but if they run into another horde or very high <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(381);'>ROF</span> they turn to toast. Castellax <br /> are great, but don't think of them as troops, because I feel they really should not be. They are monstrous <br /> shooty tanks without much movement so think R'varna battle suit or broadside if you are tau familiar. <br /> Powerful, but can crumple quickly under sustained <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(482);'>AT</span> fire, or really punchy units like primarchs and most <br /> chapter masters.<br /> <br /> Also, the Thanatar is soooo worth it. even at this points level I'd be trying to fit one.  <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0"> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 1 Aug 2016 06:15:09]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<title>Re:[750] - Admech 30k Tourney Doubles? - C&amp;C Needed</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/700d42f114e1ce0c5b082b1cf5ab610a.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/698062/8809097.page"><b>thedragondrage131 wrote:</b></a><br/>Let me put it to you this way, I have yet to ever regret taking thallax so my efforts would go in that direction.<br /> Adsecularis are a great wall, but if they run into another horde or very high <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(381);'>ROF</span> they turn to toast. Castellax <br /> are great, but don't think of them as troops, because I feel they really should not be. They are monstrous <br /> shooty tanks without much movement so think R'varna battle suit or broadside if you are tau familiar. <br /> Powerful, but can crumple quickly under sustained <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(482);'>AT</span> fire, or really punchy units like primarchs and most <br /> chapter masters.<br /> <br /> Also, the Thanatar is soooo worth it. even at this points level I'd be trying to fit one.  <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0"> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I've talked it over with my partner and we've adjusted the list now, taking your valuable advice into account and our combination plans.<br /> <br /> I'll edit the list above - please take a look and get back to us. ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 1 Aug 2016 08:28:52]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Looking much better. Vorax huh? They are quite the distraction carnifex and they don't really care if they're out of cortex <br /> range. Most opponents be like  <img src="/s/i/a/a0063ed0e1a62441a38f6206bd3f5ad7.gif" border="0">  when you say they're T7. I might also toy with the idea of Usirax now they have <br /> sweet models. All those S10 fists are friggin scary and claws are no slouches either. Also I may be wrong, but don't <br /> upgrades on the Thallax change what slot they're in? Oh wait. I think that's just for the skyfire ones, but you might check <br /> the newest rules. Let me know How you fare in your games, I am most curious.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 4 Aug 2016 17:27:37]]> GMT</pubDate>
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