peteralmo wrote:
I agree Rob, something like this just seems better.



Combined Arms Detachment

HQ – Farseer Skyrunner

Troops – 3x Windriders w/ Scatter Lasers
Troops – 3x Windriders w/ Scatter Lasers
Troops – 3x Windriders w/ Scatter Lasers

Lord of War – Wraithknight w/ Ghost Glaive - Scattershield & 2x Scatter Lasers

Combined Arms Detachment

HQ – Farseer Skyrunner

Troops – 3x Windriders w/ Scatter Lasers
Troops – 3x Windriders w/ Scatter Lasers
Troops – 3x Windriders w/ Scatter Lasers

Lord of War – Wraithknight w/ Ghost Glaive - Scattershield & 2x Scatter Lasers

Aspect Host (BS+1)

8x Warp Spiders w/ Exarch
8x Warp Spiders w/ Exarch
8x Warp Spiders w/ Exarch

 Galef wrote:
Another note about the WKs: You should do 1 double Wraithcannon and the other Glaive/Shield. The ability to pop an enemies big threat on turn 1 can not be underestimated. Also you do not have enough ranged anti-tank in the army. Str6 spam can only go so far.
Have you also thought about how you would handle FMC spam? Daemon Tetrad list would be hard for you and a 5-6 Dakka Tyrant list will destroy you.

peteralmo wrote:

 Galef wrote:
Another note about the WKs: You should do 1 double Wraithcannon and the other Glaive/Shield. The ability to pop an enemies big threat on turn 1 can not be underestimated. Also you do not have enough ranged anti-tank in the army. Str6 spam can only go so far.
Have you also thought about how you would handle FMC spam? Daemon Tetrad list would be hard for you and a 5-6 Dakka Tyrant list will destroy you.

You're not wrong. But I ask you, short of your own flyer spam, or at least a Crimson Death level of flyer commitment, what sorts of "ground" armies can easily deal with flyrant or flying demon prince spam?

 Galef wrote:
That list is 'better' but Crimson Hunters are best as 1 solo or 3 in their Formation. If you aren't willing to commit to the Formation, I'd just take 1 CHE and 2 Pulse Laser Hornets. 2 Hornets cost the same a 1 CHE, but have double the shot (but no Lance), AV 11 and are on the board Turn 1.

That would give you a much better chance against Gladius list to take out the tanks faster.
Their "Skimmer Assault" rule allows them to Snap-fire after a Turbo boost. You can use this to get into the Rear armour of flyers like Heldrakes and StormRaven.
Guide or Prescience them first, or course. I just can't say enough good things about Hornets

Shoulder weapons on the WKs: Have you thought about Shuricannons for the CC WK?
I know the conventional wisdom is that Scatters are better, but let's evaluate that: Scatters have longer range and more shots, but on a CC Knight, you are already close and you actually don't want to kill too many models and deny yourself a charge. Also, you will often charge units that have good armour or multiple wounds, like MCs. The Shuricannon is better at dealing wounds to these targets.
So I recommend putting Shuricannons on the CC WK and Scatters on the wraithcannon WK. Don't bother with Starcannons.

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Ecdain wrote:
Any particular restrictions? At a glance I'd say shave the bikes down to 3 man sqauds, msu is just better for nearly all missions. Also if you drop 3 bikes and a single spider from one of the squads you'd have 100 pts, which is enough to make a 2 man warlock conclave on bikes(trust me, put farseers with these and enjoy 2+ jinkingand another objective grabber). And when bringing two wraithknights, bring one as sword and board, it's more survivable and even more deadly turn 2 onward(charge range). It also helps it live through grav spam, do NOT underestimate a 5++, especially with buffs from seers like fortune or forewarning.

sizzlebutt666 wrote:

Ecdain wrote:
Any particular restrictions? At a glance I'd say shave the bikes down to 3 man sqauds, msu is just better for nearly all missions. Also if you drop 3 bikes and a single spider from one of the squads you'd have 100 pts, which is enough to make a 2 man warlock conclave on bikes(trust me, put farseers with these and enjoy 2+ jinkingand another objective grabber). And when bringing two wraithknights, bring one as sword and board, it's more survivable and even more deadly turn 2 onward(charge range). It also helps it live through grav spam, do NOT underestimate a 5++, especially with buffs from seers like fortune or forewarning.

This is basically "THE" list for running CW Eldar, correct? I've seen lists like this with very few variations aside from picking out one or two infantry models/wargear options. Scatter Lasers are like, the best gun in the game to get Twin-Linked. 4 shots at St6 is much better to spread out like you say in the MSU fashion. How do these traditionally fare against Alpha Strike lists that include a Skyhammer? Because this list set up defeats both Bike lists and Horde lists. With enough MSU to keep up with Deathstars.