<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "Sisters of Battle Quick Fix"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/16.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Sisters of Battle Quick Fix SoB Codex is almost good, its a solid "decent" though and thats something that can be worked with. As such, this is what i've got for now.

Sisters of Battle

Faithful [x}: This unit can use Acts of Faith. The number after denotes how many Faith points this unit generates per turn. If no number is listed the unit does not generate Faith points.

Faith Points: You gain a number of Fiath points at the begging of your turn equal to 1d6+ your total Faith number (the number of units with a numbered Faithful value)

Acts of Faith: Each unit has a unique Act of Faith, some may even have two! You activate an Act of Faith in the Movement Phase by paying its Faith cost and then rolling a Leadership check, if successful the Act works as described.

Everyone's Acts stay largely the same except as noted here


Acts of Faith
Spoiler:
Army Wide Acts of Faith:
These Acts of Faith can be used by any unit with the Faithful rule. A unit may benefit from more than one Act of Faith in a given turn. All Acts of Faith last for 1 turn unless noted otherwise

Hand of the Emperor
Each model in the unit adds +2 Strength to their profile but will strike at Initiative 1.

Divine Guidance
The unit may reroll failed To Hit rolls in the Assault Phase or the Shooting Phase. Choose which one when this power is activated.

Light of the Emperor
The unit gains the Fearless ability until their next Movement Phase

Spirit of the Martyr
The unit improves its Shield of Faith save by 1+ their Faithful score.

Zeal of the Faithful
The unit adds 2 to its Initiative score, this Act may not be used on a unit that is under the effects of Hand of the Emperor. Any model that has a weapon with the Unwieldy quality do not gain the 2 Initiative, instead they lose the Unwieldy quality for the duration of the power.


Retrubutors:
Cleanse in Flame: Heavy Flamer armed Retributors only. The unit gains Shred on their shooting attacks for one turn.
Holy Fussilade Heavy Bolter armed Retributors only. The unit gains Rending on their shooting attacks for one turn.
Molten Fury Multi Melta armed Retributors only. The unit gains Relentless for one turn.



Errata
All Adeptus Soritas infantry have the Faithful special rule unless stated otherwise

Cannoness
Add Faithful 2

Priests
Add Shepard of the Faithful
Shepard of the Faithful
If a Priest is attached to a uni that has the Faithful rule, increase their Faithful score by 1.

Celestians
Change Celestians armor to 2+
Add Faithful 1

Seraphim
Add Faithful 2
Lose Hit and Rum gain Jump Shoot Jump

Repentia
Add Faithful 2

Add these units:
Erelim
Spoiler:

Erelim 125 pts
Type Infantry, Elite
Composition 4 Erelim 1 Erelim Superior
Erelim WS 4 BS 4 S 4 T 3 W1 I3 A2 LD 9 Sa 2+
Erelim Superior WS 4 BS 4 S 4 T 3 W1 I3 A2 LD 9 Sa 2+

Special Rules
Faithful 1
Shield of Faith
Rage
Zealot

Wargear
Artificer Armor
Power Weapon
Sororitas Shield
Frag Grenades

May add up to 5 more Erelim for 25 pts per model
May swap their Power Weapon for a Power Fist for 5 pts per model
May Purchase Seraphm Jump Packs for 5 pts per model

Act of Faith: Angels Descent: The unit gains Hit and Run

Sororitas Shield increase the value of the units Shiled of Faith save by 1 (typically to a 5+)


Elohim
Spoiler:

Elohim 125
Type Infantry, Heavy Support
Composition 4 Elohim 1 Elohim Superior
WS 3 BS 5 S 3 T 3 W 1 I 3 A 1 LD 9 Sv 2+

Special Rules
Faithful 1
Shield of Faith
Deep Strike

Wargear
Sororitas Breacher Armor
Storm Bolter
Frag Grenade

May Include up to 5 additional Elohim 25 pts per model
4 Elohim may each take one item from the Heavy Weapons list.

Sororitas Breacher Armor: Equipped model gains a 2+ Armor save increases their Shield of Faith save by 1 and gains Slow and Purposeful.

Acts of Faith:Cleanse in Flame: Heavy Flamer armed Elohim only. The unit gains Shred on their shooting attacks for one turn.
Holy Fussilade Heavy Bolter armed Elohim only. The unit gains Rending on their shooting attacks for one turn.
Purge the Works of Heretics Multi Melta armed Elohim only. The unit gains Tank Hunters for one turn.
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/701264/8876759.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/701264/8876759.page GMT Sisters of Battle Quick Fix
Why are you going for a common pool of Acts as well as the unique Acts per unit? I'd done overhauls based on the assumption that a single common pool (potentially with special effects on certain units for 'their' Act) was the way to go, you seem to have gone whole hog the other way with (counting...)...twenty distinct Acts? Five common, nine unique from the current book, three for Retributors and three for Elohim?

The text implies that some Acts might cost different amounts of Faith Points, but none of them say they do? It seems to me like as written you've made Acts of Faith too easy/reliable as well as too flexible?

Erelim and Elohim both seem a little too far towards the 'We're T3 Space Marines!' side of the design scale. This is a vague impression and I know it's not something a lot can be done with, I'll work on that. For now could you tell us what niche in the army/game they're meant to fill?

Overall: Interesting, could see some polish.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/701264/8876879.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/701264/8876879.page GMT Sisters of Battle Quick Fix
 AnomanderRake wrote:
Not far off how I'd overhauled Acts of Faith, honestly. A few questions:

Why are you going for a common pool of Acts as well as the unique Acts per unit? I'd done overhauls based on the assumption that a single common pool (potentially with special effects on certain units for 'their' Act) was the way to go, you seem to have gone whole hog the other way with (counting...)...twenty distinct Acts? Five common, nine unique from the current book, three for Retributors and three for Elohim?

The text implies that some Acts might cost different amounts of Faith Points, but none of them say they do? It seems to me like as written you've made Acts of Faith too easy/reliable as well as too flexible?

Erelim and Elohim both seem a little too far towards the 'We're T3 Space Marines!' side of the design scale. This is a vague impression and I know it's not something a lot can be done with, I'll work on that. For now could you tell us what niche in the army/game they're meant to fill?

Overall: Interesting, could see some polish.


Erelim are the fast moving assault units. I know Repentia kind of fill this, but they are wielding giant chainsaws, so they kind of have specific targets. The Erelim are for infantry of the Meq variety or lower. Elohim are just what they seem to be, Deep Striking Heavy Weapon wielders, drop them in the back field and let hell fly.

The reason i have so many AoF is because i do like the fact that each unit has their own. The only unit that had a problem with this was Retributors which is why they have 3, though we could just mash them together and call it one. I dont have costs on them as im not sure what each one should cost, so i left it open.

The reason they can be used so often isthe fact that that was probably the only good thing about their 5th ed book. At low points values you could stack multiple Acts and get some great effects. Sisters dont get Psykers so our Acts need to make up for that.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/701264/8876916.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/701264/8876916.page GMT Sisters of Battle Quick Fix
 Grimmor wrote:
 AnomanderRake wrote:
Not far off how I'd overhauled Acts of Faith, honestly. A few questions:

Why are you going for a common pool of Acts as well as the unique Acts per unit? I'd done overhauls based on the assumption that a single common pool (potentially with special effects on certain units for 'their' Act) was the way to go, you seem to have gone whole hog the other way with (counting...)...twenty distinct Acts? Five common, nine unique from the current book, three for Retributors and three for Elohim?

The text implies that some Acts might cost different amounts of Faith Points, but none of them say they do? It seems to me like as written you've made Acts of Faith too easy/reliable as well as too flexible?

Erelim and Elohim both seem a little too far towards the 'We're T3 Space Marines!' side of the design scale. This is a vague impression and I know it's not something a lot can be done with, I'll work on that. For now could you tell us what niche in the army/game they're meant to fill?

Overall: Interesting, could see some polish.


Erelim are the fast moving assault units. I know Repentia kind of fill this, but they are wielding giant chainsaws, so they kind of have specific targets. The Erelim are for infantry of the Meq variety or lower. Elohim are just what they seem to be, Deep Striking Heavy Weapon wielders, drop them in the back field and let hell fly.

The reason i have so many AoF is because i do like the fact that each unit has their own. The only unit that had a problem with this was Retributors which is why they have 3, though we could just mash them together and call it one. I dont have costs on them as im not sure what each one should cost, so i left it open.

The reason they can be used so often isthe fact that that was probably the only good thing about their 5th ed book. At low points values you could stack multiple Acts and get some great effects. Sisters dont get Psykers so our Acts need to make up for that.


Having played both Sisters and heavy-psychic armies you've created a system in which Acts are more reliable, more powerful, and more easily activated than psychic powers.

Take Spirit of the Martyr. Put that on a Seraphim unit and for one Faith point (out of the many you have) you've given a unit a rerollable 3++ with no risk of Perils, if you can pass a Ld 9 test; compare to Sanctuary, which has a 50% chance of failure if you cast it on one Warp Charge, has to be generated in the first place, improves an existing Invul by one and only one, can be denied, and risks Perils.

I understand your goal here, I'm just saying that I think you've gone overboard with it. Unlike a Psyker your Faithful models know 7-9 'powers' that aren't randomly generated, have a negligible risk of failure when casting, can't be stopped, only ever need to spend one Faith Point to get a power off, have no limit to the number of powers they can use in a turn, and have more powerful abilities to boot.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/701264/8876938.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/701264/8876938.page GMT Sisters of Battle Quick Fix
 AnomanderRake wrote:

Having played both Sisters and heavy-psychic armies you've created a system in which Acts are more reliable, more powerful, and more easily activated than psychic powers.

Take Spirit of the Martyr. Put that on a Seraphim unit and for one Faith point (out of the many you have) you've given a unit a rerollable 3++ with no risk of Perils, if you can pass a Ld 9 test; compare to Sanctuary, which has a 50% chance of failure if you cast it on one Warp Charge, has to be generated in the first place, improves an existing Invul by one and only one, can be denied, and risks Perils.

I understand your goal here, I'm just saying that I think you've gone overboard with it. Unlike a Psyker your Faithful models know 7-9 'powers' that aren't randomly generated, have a negligible risk of failure when casting, can't be stopped, only ever need to spend one Faith Point to get a power off, have no limit to the number of powers they can use in a turn, and have more powerful abilities to boot.


Oh ya, i keep forgetting that Psychic stuff is random as all Hell this edition (its so dumb), so i need to either A) increase the Faith Point costs or B) make it a bit harder to "cast them or both. I could inflict a Leadership penalty for the Generic ones on top of having them cost 2 Faith points.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/701264/8876975.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/701264/8876975.page GMT Sisters of Battle Quick Fix http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/701264/8876983.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/701264/8876983.page GMT Sisters of Battle Quick Fix Ld test to activate. It hasn't seen much testing but I like the way it scales with army size (the 5e approach really didn't) and how it brings back the flexibility the 3e book enjoyed where any unit had the potential to go into holy-fury-mode and punch out something above their weight class (as opposed to the one-Act-once-per-game-per-unit thing slotting the Sisters into defined game roles).]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/701264/8876987.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/701264/8876987.page GMT