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1. I'm playing against a KDK guy the most of the time so Waaagh! is far less useful and
2. You could throw a painboy inside that mob of 30 boyz and get a way greater benefit.

I can't speak much from personal experience, but I would imagine that this majority stat rule craps on MABosses and Biker Bosses as well. What good is having higher stats when they aren't used? Even if you put your boss with nobz, the unit is still going to use the nob stats for many rolls.

Anything would be useful... whether pointing out how I'm flat out wrong about how I'm interpreting the rules, ways that warbosses are actually really awesome and why, or even confirmation on what I'm saying.

This is my first post btw so be kind, I'm an Orky yet very delicate flower.
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/701301/8877477.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/701301/8877477.page GMT LD.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/701301/8877572.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/701301/8877572.page GMT KDK.

Sure, you can pull off access to Gifts o' Gork & Mork using a Big Mek, but a Warboss is a bit more survivable.

Not to say that you have to take one though. If you don't think he's worth it, load up your HQ slots with Painboys.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/701301/8877647.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/701301/8877647.page GMT WS. Then to wound they use your majority toughness. When your Warboss attacks he gets to use his S value against the enemy majority toughness value.

Now if you accept a challenge. The challenger attacks the Warboss' WS and toughness and vice versa.

For the most part you don't use majority stat line. If your MA Warboss is out in front during shooting you do not have to use majority armor save. You get his 2+ until you die or pass lookout sirs, in which case you use the armor save of the next closest model.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/701301/8878090.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/701301/8878090.page GMT HQ (which isn't saying much, admittedly).

That being said, they can dish out more str 10 ap2 attacks than most monstrous creatures.

I personally wouldn't worry too much about the warboss buffing boyz - that's not his job. On the contrary, it's the boyz job to buff the warboss, essentially by giving him an extra 30 wounds. Besides, adding a warboss to a group of boyz and making them all T5 would be honestly a little OP. Imagine doing that with, say grots. T5 grots for free!

Also, lets be honest. Boyz are trash. When they get into CC, the warboss + nob with PKs do like twice the damage of the boyz combined against anything that's even half-assed in CC.

Honestly, I try to bring 2 warbossi when I can. They really are that good. Bringing a warboss + painboy is also a solid combo.

Against KDK......I can see them not shining as much, except they bring +2 LD, which doesn't sound like much, admittedly, but when you're taking fear tests against their the ENTIRE ENEMY ARMY 100% of the time, that +2 LD can make a world of difference. Their biggest problem is they can be singled out via challenges, and there's a lot of things in the KDK book that will murder them far before the I1 step.

The solution to this is to bring as many cheap characters as possible to 'eat' challenges, and let your warboss swing away.

Because if they issue a challenge - YOU choose who answers. So, if their bloodthirster roars a challenge - you got this 15 point mek character! Then the warboss gets to lay into him with this str 10 claw.

Anyways. They may be expensive for an ork HQ, but they are an absolute bargain for what they accomplish, especially since most other army's HQs are twice that. They bring a whole lot of str 10 attacks which should never be underestimated. They help you with fear tests, which is critical v. KDK, and they can bring helpful relics as mentioned (big bosspole, DLS). They even have a decent I stat, which can be helpful at times (sweeping advances, blind checks, and the like). ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/701301/8878182.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/701301/8878182.page GMT