<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "[1850] - (Space Marine Codex) IRON HANDS - Critique! "]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/14.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net [1850] - (Space Marine Codex) IRON HANDS - Critique! 40k since 5th edition and just now beginning to learn how to play. So i bought a Space Marine Codex(Vanilla) and figured to go Iron Hands. Their rough history and tactics got my attention. All suggestions and tactics are appreciated. (keep in mind i already have the army made but looking into magnetizing in the future)

DEMI COMPANY:

Warlord
Captain: Artificer Armor, Thunder Hammer, Bike, Digital Weapons, Melta Bomb= 175pts.

Tac 1: 10man Sqd: Plasma Rifle, Plasma Cannon, Combi Weapon for Sgt= 180pts
-Rhino: Strom Bolter=35pts
Tac 2: 10man Sqd: Plasma Rifle, Plasma Cannon, Combi Weapon for Sgt= 180pts
-Rhino Storm Bolter35pts
Tac 3: 6man Sqd: Melta Gun, Combi-Melta, Melta Bombs, Power Maul= 124pts
-Rides in Storm Raven
Bikes: 6man Sqd: x2 Melta Guns, Power Maul= 161pts
Devs: 5man Sqd: x2 Las Cannons, x2 Missle Launchers, Stock Sgt.= 140pts

AUXILIARY FORCES:
Armored Task Force
TechMarine: Stock= 65pts
Whirlwind: Storm Bolter= 70pts
Predator Tank: Auto Cannon turret, Las Cannon Side Sponsons=115pts
Predator Tank: Auto Cannon turret, Las Cannon Side Sponsons=115pts

Storm Wing Formation:
Storm Raven: 4 Storm Strike Missiles, Typhoon Missile Launcher, Twin-Link Las Cannons= 225pts
Storm Talon: Twin-linked Assault Cannon, Sky-hammer Missiles= 115pts
Storm Talon: Twin-linked Assault Cannon, Sky-hammer Missiles= 115pts

Pts Total:1850


The Thought behind this was everything except Storm Wing Formation with the 6 man melta Sqd gets Deployed turn one. Whirlwind sits in a corner in the back field raining shots every turn on infantry and light armor potentially causing pinning or stripping wounds off characters, and both Predators will be in the other corner picking off any Armour they see while being near the TechMarine to gain his perks. While he is in cover and out of LOS. The Rhinos will be behind terrain with my 10man sqds inside until ready to move towards objectives. Devastator Sqd will give support fire with the Predator tanks Against armor to help strip Hull points as well as give cover fire for the Rhinos to move up on objectives. My warlord is attached to the Bike Squad and their main job is to Hit and run,and harass as much as possible in the enemy field. HOPEFULLY(2nd TURN) the turn Storm Wing Arrives.........Dishing out x1 Twin-link Strength 9 AP2, x4 Ordnance Strength 8 AP2, x2 Krak strength 8 AP 3, and x6 Strength 7 AP 4 Shots at multiple targets. Then deploy the 6 man sqd near armor to harass and distract or capture and contest an objective. While the fliers roam the field picking off whats left.

Let me know what you think!

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Only thing i'm not liking Too much is your Captain..

Thunder Hammer means he's striking at I1. he has quite a few wounds agreed but personally I'd give him The Burning Blade and a Storm Shield.

AP2 goodness and 3+ inv on a bike. You don't need Melta Bombs and digital weapons.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/701621/8885310.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/701621/8885310.page GMT [1850] - (Space Marine Codex) IRON HANDS - Critique!
1) I like the TH on your Captain, but this means he'll be much less likely to actually use his Melta Bombs, so I'd drop them in favor of finding points for a Storm Shield instead.

2) The 5 point jump between a Lascannon and Missile Launcher is sooooo worth it in my opinion, I'd upgrade if you have the models.

3) If you actually math it out, the TL Assault Cannon out preforms the TL Lascannon against virtually all targets in the game. I'd consider swapping for your Stormraven, as the range isn't really an issue on such a mobile platform.

4) This one is the biggest. You're paying a lot of points in your Tac squads to only be able to fire a Plasma Cannon when you're stationary. In general, I've found that I need my Tac Marines to be A) Mobile and B) Not too expensive, and we've just worked against both of those, for two relatively short ranged small blasts that might kill you per turn.

If you drop 5 Marines and the Plasma Cannon from each squad, you'll save 170 points. That's more than enough to bump the Whirlwind Squadron up to 3 tanks for that glorious bonus.

If the extra whirlwinds aren't your style, you could also include something like a Land Speeder Typhoon as your Fast choice and upgrade the Bikers to a Command Squad to gain access to FNP and have more equipment options. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/701621/8886032.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/701621/8886032.page GMT [1850] - (Space Marine Codex) IRON HANDS - Critique!
Perth- as what Corennus said...im highly convinced my captain needs to be tweaked. Both of you make a solid point i overlooked. Also since changing my warlord will free a few points ill upgrade the Squad to all LAS. The Storm Raven ill have to buy another turret off eBay so i can swap.
As for the Tac squads the only Load out i see being effective would be Plasma rifle/Grav Cannon...but thats even more points. it gives them mobility and able to target pretty much everything with ease...yet its too costly. otherwise a semi good one would be Plasma Rifle/Multi-Melta. but i do like ur take on the Whirlwind...its kinda winning me over the more i think about it.
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For Rhinos I think Missile Launcher and Plasma Gun is good combo.


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Oh reason for the flamer/multi-melta is you have squad combat-squadded and then you can have one CS melta a transport vehicle and then the other CS flame the guys who stumble from it!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/701621/8887090.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/701621/8887090.page GMT [1850] - (Space Marine Codex) IRON HANDS - Critique!
 Armoursbane wrote:
Corennus- ill look into switching the captains weapons...i actually forgot about the burning blade . Thank you for reminding me!

Perth- as what Corennus said...im highly convinced my captain needs to be tweaked. Both of you make a solid point i overlooked. Also since changing my warlord will free a few points ill upgrade the Squad to all LAS. The Storm Raven ill have to buy another turret off eBay so i can swap.
As for the Tac squads the only Load out i see being effective would be Plasma rifle/Grav Cannon...but thats even more points. it gives them mobility and able to target pretty much everything with ease...yet its too costly. otherwise a semi good one would be Plasma Rifle/Multi-Melta. but i do like ur take on the Whirlwind...its kinda winning me over the more i think about it.


I think you must have misunderstood my suggestion. What I'm saying is that you run your squads with only 5 marines. That way you are free to use those 85+ points on units that are much more price effective than 5 guys with one Heavy Weapon, like Whirlwinds, Land Speeders, Predators, just about anything really.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/701621/8888355.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/701621/8888355.page GMT