Ashiraya wrote:
I did read them (I did not want to start judging before I know what happens) and they are horrible. CS Goto tier to be sure, maybe worse. The ones who wrote the series seemed so intent on making the Orks seem awesome they completely forgot they need to fit their books into a coherent setting. This isn't like bolter porn X where a squad of marines kills a regiment of guardsmen on some faraway planet nobody really cares about either way, this is Orks lolololololing their way onto Terra, roflstomping everything they come across, sending Ork diplomats and the few times when the Orks and their Imperial Knight-sized warbosses are somehow defeated they always take their weight in Chapter Masters down with them.

The Orks somehow lose because they forget they can destroy Terra and the Imperium by pressing any of their plethora of IWIN buttons and instead just sit around and do nothing (seems the authors realised near the end that the Orks are actually supposed to lose the War of the Beast...)

If you want Ork porn, read it. Otherwise, avoid like the plague. It's not even decent as 'so bad it's good' fiction because there is so much politics and other filler in between 'Orks pull ridiculous superweapon X out of their asses' scenes.

Oh and yeah, there is a bit of really horribly written Harlequin porn in there too if you want that.

You know, on a second thought I would not even recommend this book to Ork fans because it makes every other Ork (like Ghazghkull) seem like an absolute non-threatening joke.

 Ratius wrote:
Oh no :(
Thanks for the heads up!

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Ratius wrote:
Oh no :(
Thanks for the heads up!

Yeah...don't listen to Ashiraya at all. None of that is even remotely accurate.

 Ashiraya wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Ratius wrote:
Oh no :(
Thanks for the heads up!

Yeah...don't listen to Ashiraya at all. None of that is even remotely accurate.

Have a read for yourself. This is essentially the synopsis. Warning, spoilers. Bigger warning, lots and lots of cringe.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/War_of_the_Beast

 Ashiraya wrote:
I did read them (I did not want to start judging before I know what happens) and they are horrible.

 Ashiraya wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:
I did read them (I did not want to start judging before I know what happens) and they are horrible.

So did I, and I stand by all my statements.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:
I did read them (I did not want to start judging before I know what happens) and they are horrible.

So did I, and I stand by all my statements.

And I'm still standing by my statement and sentiment that you and I seriously did not read the same books. It's one thing to say they're bolter porn(some of them; notably "I Am Slaughter" for my opinion) but it's another to be equating them to C.S. Goto's crap.

 Kanluwen wrote:
but it's another to be equating them to C.S. Goto's crap.

 Robin5t wrote:
I really like them. They make for a very enjoyable read, and the Beast's Orks do an excellent job of making you understand why the Orks being allowed to run rampant is such a bad thing.

Of course, some people disagree with this - I think the fact that Space Marines aren't all-conquering gods and regularly get beaten in this series gets on the nerves of a good part of the fanbase - but if you're not really concerned about that, I'd definitely recommend them.

 Robin5t wrote:
I really like them. They make for a very enjoyable read, and the Beast's Orks do an excellent job of making you understand why the Orks being allowed to run rampant is such a bad thing.

Of course, some people disagree with this - I think the fact that Space Marines aren't all-conquering gods and regularly get beaten in this series gets on the nerves of a good part of the fanbase - but if you're not really concerned about that, I'd definitely recommend them.

 Ashiraya wrote:

 Robin5t wrote:
I really like them. They make for a very enjoyable read, and the Beast's Orks do an excellent job of making you understand why the Orks being allowed to run rampant is such a bad thing.

Of course, some people disagree with this - I think the fact that Space Marines aren't all-conquering gods and regularly get beaten in this series gets on the nerves of a good part of the fanbase - but if you're not really concerned about that, I'd definitely recommend them.

It's taking it too far in the other direction. The Orks winning is not a problem, the problem is that they can't keep winning when in orbit of Terra because you eventually wonder why they don't gravitic whip the planet into oblivion and win 40k (which also ignores the problem of how the Orks got better-than-Necron tech out of nowhere to begin with).

The Beast does not solve problems people have with SM being portrayed as too powerful and Orks as too weak. It just flips the problem and exaggerates it on the other direction. +1 is not even, no, but neither is -2.

Consider that the Orks had been 'allowed to run rampant' for a long time before the Imperium was even formed, and the worst that produced was Ullanor - no Knight-sized orks.

 Ratius wrote:
Several different opinions. Guess the best bet is to pick up the first and see if I like it

 Robin5t wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:

 Robin5t wrote:
I really like them. They make for a very enjoyable read, and the Beast's Orks do an excellent job of making you understand why the Orks being allowed to run rampant is such a bad thing.

Of course, some people disagree with this - I think the fact that Space Marines aren't all-conquering gods and regularly get beaten in this series gets on the nerves of a good part of the fanbase - but if you're not really concerned about that, I'd definitely recommend them.

It's taking it too far in the other direction. The Orks winning is not a problem, the problem is that they can't keep winning when in orbit of Terra because you eventually wonder why they don't gravitic whip the planet into oblivion and win 40k (which also ignores the problem of how the Orks got better-than-Necron tech out of nowhere to begin with).

The Beast does not solve problems people have with SM being portrayed as too powerful and Orks as too weak. It just flips the problem and exaggerates it on the other direction. +1 is not even, no, but neither is -2.

Consider that the Orks had been 'allowed to run rampant' for a long time before the Imperium was even formed, and the worst that produced was Ullanor - no Knight-sized orks.

Had they, though?

Before the Fall, the Eldar kept them in check, and the Orks would have been affected by how much Slaanesh's birth wrecked the galaxy as much as anyone else, which would have affected their ability to group up and form a coherent force like the Beast.

As for why they have better-than-Necron tech - they've always had ridiculous teleportation technology and engineering ability, the only really 'new' thing is the gravity weapons, which I'll note are ship-scale equivalents of technology the Imperium actually has. And given that their tech base ultimately comes from the same place as the Eldar, why is it surprising that they're so advanced when given a chance to get their act together? I feel like people forget that the Orks have been a spacefaring race since before apes even evolved on Earth, never mind Humans.

Personally, I like the fact that the only reason the Imperium survived the Beast was because it wanted to conquer them rather than destroy them. It's a refreshing change to the usual 'Chaos is the only thing that's allowed to be a massive threat' that only the Nids can ever seem to avoid.