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UNBOUND DETACHMENT 1500 points

Techmarine
-servo harness
-The Shield Eternal
-4 servitors with servo arms

Venerable Dreadnought
-Twin-linked lascannon
-Twin-linked Autocannon

Venerable Dreadnought
-Assault cannon

Venerable Dreadnought
-Plasma cannon

Venerable Dreadnought
-Plasma cannon

Ironclad dreadnought
-Chainfist

Dreadnought
-Assault cannon

5 Devastators
-4 missile launchers

5 Devastators
-4 Lascannons
-Armorium Cherub

5 Devastators
-4 Plasma cannons

5 Devastators
-4 Heavy bolters

TOTAL 1500

The "plan" basically is to have the dreadnoughts advance with the techmarine towards, whilst the devastator squads work in pairs on either flank. the missile launchers and plasma cannons taking one flank whilst the heavy bolters and lascannons take the other, bearing in mind one of these pairs will be in cover bolstered by the techmarine. Fliers can be pecked at by massed devastator fire as well as the twin-linked weapons on the shooty dread. I realise this army is not very mobile at all but eh, be rate.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/704370/8940964.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/704370/8940964.page GMT [1500] - Ultramarines - Dreadnoughts and Devastators
Your list looks to be technically legal, albeit unbound.

From a play POV, it has a number of issues. One is that the majority of 40k missions are about taking and holding objectives. You are just footslogging non-obsec units. So this could be problematic for you.

I’m not a huge fan of PCs in general. You can never get as many guys under a small blast as you’d like, and they tend to scatter even when you do get a juicy target. Plus the whole gets hot thing. If you want to take a few because you like the way they look, go for it. But I’d not take nearly as many as you have.

For the Ven dreads, I’d stick with assault cannons. And keep the fist. Leave the TL’d guns to the basic dreads, they need them more at BS 4. And with 4A base, I’m loath to swap out the fist these days.

Here is a rough list that’s bound, but hopefully captures some of what you are looking for. It’s not perfect, but should have the same feel. (I’d drop one of the dev squads and the servitors to get the tacs in razorbacks. And probably put the tech on a bike or in a razor)

Techmarine. Harness, shield eternal. 4 servitors

Two Ven Dreads in a squadron, Both AsC, fist w/HF
Two reg. Dreads in a squadron. TLLC/TLAC
Ironclad, 2xHK missiles

2x 5 man tac squad w/HBs (scouts would probably work better here)

5 man Dev squad, 4xPCs
5 man Dev squad, 4xLCs
5 man Dev Squad, 4xML w/flack]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/704370/8941048.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/704370/8941048.page GMT Re:[1500] - Ultramarines - Dreadnoughts and Devastators Narrative jokes aside, I'm surprised you're not running Iron Hands chapter tactics which I feel would be perfect for a list like this. I don't think Ultramarines chapter tactics is the most optimal for this list considering you're not choosing any of the special characters for their support buffs so it feels kind of wasted (If you like the color scheme, you could always just paint them as Ultras, but use Iron Hand rules). I'd also look at the Medusa Strike Force which does allow you to take a ton of dreadnoughts although you'd have to pay a tax with some units you don't want. What's sad is even unbound doesn't cut it in comparison to all the formation and detachment buffs you can get these days. You could go cheap and take an armoured task force and then just spam dreadnoughts. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/704370/8941099.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/704370/8941099.page GMT [1500] - Ultramarines - Dreadnoughts and Devastators In terms of what models I have I will be able to do the list you suggested, however the dreadnoughts are armed based on what weapon arms I own. I can swap one plasma cannon for an assault cannon but that's it.
Making the list a combined arms detachment is definitely a good Idea, I forgot about fielding the dreads in squadrons!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/704370/8941120.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/704370/8941120.page GMT [1500] - Ultramarines - Dreadnoughts and Devastators
I do agree that Iron Hands works better for this list. But one of the perks of being an Ultramarine is that we can do everything pretty OK. Might not be optimal, but it works.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/704370/8941124.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/704370/8941124.page GMT [1500] - Ultramarines - Dreadnoughts and Devastators IMHO if they are painted as ultras, they should be used as ultras, so thats the main reason why I'm doing it.
Although the rerolls provided by ultramarines are very handy, and the devastator doctrine twice a game increases the effectiveness of my massed devastators.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/704370/8941145.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/704370/8941145.page GMT Re:[1500] - Ultramarines - Dreadnoughts and Devastators http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/704370/8941162.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/704370/8941162.page GMT [1500] - Ultramarines - Dreadnoughts and Devastators
 timthehierodule wrote:
Yeah, I see what you mean. The plasma cannons on the dreads are actually not necessary, however they were very cheap and when I first did the list I did not have much to tackle infantry blobs. The plasma cannon devastators are just such a rare sight and I want to see how effective (or uneffective) they are.
In terms of what models I have I will be able to do the list you suggested, however the dreadnoughts are armed based on what weapon arms I own. I can swap one plasma cannon for an assault cannon but that's it.
Making the list a combined arms detachment is definitely a good Idea, I forgot about fielding the dreads in squadrons!


The last time I fielded PC devs, they were pretty disappointing. But I have the models, and they were getting dusty. I wanted to see how they did in the current edition, so I fielded them. Not well, so they get to ride the shelf for another decade or so.

In my experiments with dread squads I’ve found that more then two gets cumbersome. They get in each other’s way, LoS and range can be issues, get stuck in cover, etc. If you do need to mix weapons, at least try to keep things similar. For example, a PC/fist dread might work OK with a TLLC/TLAC partner. He’s got the same S as the AC, and AP as the LC. So should do OK shooting at the same things. And if someone comes over to try to tarpit you, he rips them apart with the fist.
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/704370/8941166.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/704370/8941166.page GMT Re:[1500] - Ultramarines - Dreadnoughts and Devastators 40k, I feel like they should get rid of gets hot altogether. It's kind of silly that there's so many weapons out there that are way more lethal, but don't have a chance of blowing up in your face lol. I miss the days where they said plasma weapons on vehicles don't get hot because there's more room for cooling systems. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/704370/8941179.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/704370/8941179.page GMT [1500] - Ultramarines - Dreadnoughts and Devastators http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/704370/8941205.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/704370/8941205.page GMT Re:[1500] - Ultramarines - Dreadnoughts and Devastators http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/704370/8941217.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/704370/8941217.page GMT [1500] - Ultramarines - Dreadnoughts and Devastators HQ?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/704370/8941232.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/704370/8941232.page GMT Re:[1500] - Ultramarines - Dreadnoughts and Devastators http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/704370/8941275.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/704370/8941275.page GMT [1500] - Ultramarines - Dreadnoughts and Devastators
Although, techmarines, librarians and chaplains can all replace the captain I guess, but its still points you may want to spend elsewhere.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/704370/8941283.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/704370/8941283.page GMT Re:[1500] - Ultramarines - Dreadnoughts and Devastators HQ if you want to be cheap. However, I wouldn't worry about point costs as long as you can make every unit useful in some manner. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/704370/8941289.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/704370/8941289.page GMT