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Lion's Blade Strike Force

Core 1

-- Assault Squad - 2 x Flamer, Drop Pod

-- Devastator Squad - 2 x Grav Cannon, Rhino

-- HQ: Chaplain -- Combi-Grav

-- Command Squad -- 5 x Meltagun, Drop Pod

-- Company Veteran Squad -- 5 x Combi-Grav, 5 x Lightening Claw, Drop Pod

-- 5 Man Tactical Squad -- 1 x Grav Gun, Razorback, AC

-- 5 Man Tactical Squad -- 1 x Grav Gun, Razorback, AC

-- 5 Man Tactical Squad -- 1 x Grav Gun, Razorback, AC

Core 2

-- Assault Squad - 2 x Flamer, Drop Pod

-- Devastator Squad - 2 x Grav Cannon, Rhino

-- HQ: Company Master -- Artificer Armor, Combi-Plasma, Power Sword, Auspex

-- Command Squad - 5 x Meltagun, Drop Pod

-- 5 Man Tactical Squad -- 1 x Meltagun, Razorback, AC

-- 5 Man Tactical Squad -- 1 x Meltagun, Razorback, AC

-- 5 Man Tactical Squad -- 1 x Meltagun, Razorback, AC

Auxiliary
10th Company Support -- 5 x Scouts, 5 x Sniper Rifles

1850 on the nose

I have 5 pods so I know three will come in turn 1. It will give me a little flexibility depending on what can do the most damage. Obviously the command squads with meltaguns will try to blow up/immobilize/stun the bigger threats. I'm not sure I like the veteran squads load out. My original thinking was to put the chaplain with them (possibly the Chapter Master as well but not sure I can?). I gave the combi-grav to deal with more elite units and lightening claws so they are somewhat lethal in close combat. I plan on using them to grab an objective/do some damage to an elite unit when they come. I want to try and drop them where they have cover or block LOS against anything that can wipe them out right toff the bat which will be tricky. Next turn they can charge in or sit on an objective and shoot at whatever comes close to them. I'm ok with them not getting the +1 with the LC since they have 2 base attacks and between zealot/shred they should be able to do some damage to anything without a 2+/3++ or better. Even if I drop them on something and they can't shoot first turn I thought that would be a nice, well rounded unit, that can deal with just about whatever come their way (save WK and what not). The tac squads and dev squads will be laying down fire and grabbing objectives. I tried to scatter grav and melta throughout the list so that I can have multiple units fill the same roles. I gave the Razorback ACs for 2 reasons. 1) They will be moving up the field and I wanted something that can handle light armor/infantry so I don't have to waste melta shots on it 2) I have NO answer to flyers so, in a pinch, i can shoot them at anything in the air to at least make it jink if not wound it out right to try and dispute their shooting. The scouts are going to sit in the back (hopefully on an objective) and try to pick off models. A big glaring weakness here are my lack of psykers but you can't have it all right?

Just in case some people don't know, the Lion's Blade lets you take free transports and fire Overwatch at full BS. Anyways, thanks for taking a look and I look forward to what y'all think. Thanks!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/704597/8945288.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/704597/8945288.page GMT [1850] - Dark Angels - Lion's Blade - Want your opinion to see how competitive this is
things to drop:
- lightning claws on veterans. too many points for one Wound models.
- combi-weapons on HQ. keep pistols; these are the only models you have for assault and they need all the Attacks they can get.

things to change:
- grav guns to grav cannons on Tactical Squads if you can get the bits
- meltaguns and razorbacks don't line up. meltaguns go in droppods, plasma guns and grav cannons are ok for AC razorbacks.
- maybe vary Razorback weapons to add versatility?

things to add:
- Ravenwing!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/704597/8945989.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/704597/8945989.page GMT [1850] - Dark Angels - Lion's Blade - Want your opinion to see how competitive this is
I can also change some points around for plasma and grav cannons. I have the plasma so that shouldn't be to hard to start out with.

I've been debating going 3 razorbacks with AC and 3 with twin-linked plasma/las?

I've been debating the HQ choice. They just aren't the greatest at assault and i'm trying to decide if they are worth having at all? I'm tempted to take them out and give a tac squad with meltagun a drop pod instead of a rhino so I still have 5.

I'd love to add Ravenwing but i'd have to work out points. The models aren't an issue and if I can get the points shuffled around I'm leaning towards a RWSS to start with.

Do you think dumping the points into the Chapter master is worth it or should i just keep it stock and treat it as a tax (which is what I normally do)? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/704597/8946610.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/704597/8946610.page GMT [1850] - Dark Angels - Lion's Blade - Want your opinion to see how competitive this is TL lascannon and one with heavy flamer. I love my old pewter las/plas razorback but it can only fire one weapon at full BS when it moves 6". AC is still the best.

HQ choices are the best assault available to Battle Company. To make them most effective they need mobility, so prolly a 10 man assault squad with jump packs. Company Master can get Storm Shield and Relic Blade. Chaplain doesn't need upgrades other than jump pack or bike; his big value is Zealot.

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If you need points, change a few more Razorbacks to Rhinos, let their passengers do the shooting.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/704597/8946683.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/704597/8946683.page GMT [1850] - Dark Angels - Lion's Blade - Want your opinion to see how competitive this is
I'm going to play around with the razorback and rhinos to and see if I can't come up with some extra points! ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/704597/8947553.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/704597/8947553.page GMT [1850] - Dark Angels - Lion's Blade - Want your opinion to see how competitive this is

axisofentropy wrote:

HQ choices are the best assault available to Battle Company. To make them most effective they need mobility, so prolly a 10 man assault squad with jump packs. Company Master can get Storm Shield and Relic Blade. Chaplain doesn't need upgrades other than jump pack or bike; his big value is Zealot.

I tend to look at this the other way - the army is inherently lousy at assault and they're basically tax units. I'd dump everything but a combi weapon on the captain and refocus that effort on grav cannons on tacticals, extra combi weapons on sergeants, etc. Paying 100 points to then cash out on >300 points of transports is a pretty nice trade. Dumping another 60 points into the captain really doesn't help much as SM companies don't really offer a good delivery system or a good unit for him to go with. Assault marines in this type of list are better off cruising around flamering gak than trying to back up an assault character. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/704597/8947641.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/704597/8947641.page GMT [1850] - Dark Angels - Lion's Blade - Want your opinion to see how competitive this is http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/704597/8947727.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/704597/8947727.page GMT [1850] - Dark Angels - Lion's Blade - Want your opinion to see how competitive this is

axisofentropy wrote:
Look at all the special weapons in this list. If that's not enough shooting, two more combi weapons won't tip the balance. Equipping a couple characters for melee at least gives options against assault focused armies, and helps counter things like wraithknights.

But that point, is a relic blade on a now S6 3 attack model without many useful units to join going to do anything to counter a wraith knight? Better off pounding it with more grav shots. you're pretty much banking in this list that an invis assault death star can't kill enough of your units to win, and MSU assault armies will really just get mowed down anyway. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/704597/8947757.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/704597/8947757.page GMT [1850] - Dark Angels - Lion's Blade - Want your opinion to see how competitive this is CM as a tax. Like you said J0hnnyllama, 100 points for triple that in free transports is a nice trade off.

I'm also dropping the idea of anything being assault oriented really. I just cringe when I think about charging with Dark Angels haha.

So this is what i've come up with so far.

Lion's Blade

Core 1

-- Assault Squad - 2x flamer, drop pod

-- Dev Squad - 2x Grav Cannon, Rhino

--Chaplain - Auspex

--Command Squad - 5x Meltagun, drop pod

--Tac Squad - 9x Marines, 1x Grav Cannon, 1x Grav Gun, Sgt. w/combi-grav, Rhino

--Tac Squad - 4x Marines, 1x Grav Gun, Sgt w/combi-grav, Razorback w/AC

--Tac Squad - 4x Marines, 1x Grav Gun, Sgt w/combi-grav, Razorback w/AC

Core 2

--Assault Squad - 2 x flamers, Drop pod

--Dev Squad - 2x Grav Cannon, Rhino

--Chapter Master - Combi-plasma, Auspex

--Command Squad - 5x meltaguns, Drop Pod

--Tactical Squad - 9x marines, 1x Grav Cannon, 1x grav gun, sgt w/combi-grav, Drop Pod

--Tactical Squad - 4x marines, 1x meltagun, sgt w/combi-melta, razorback w/AC

--Tactical Squad - 4x marines, 1x metlagun, sgt w/combi-melta, razorback w/AC

Auxiliary
--10th Company Support - 5x scouts, 5x sniper rifles

1850 points

I am going to combat squad the tac squad in the Drop Pod for sure, I may do it to the one in the Rhino as well just to give myself more options.

This still leaves me with 4 AC Razorbacks and 5 pods. I had 10 points left over so gave each HQ choice an auspex. I will likely put them with a squad in a rhino to help lower cover saves with each model on an opposite end of the board. Right now it would be a Dev squad since the Tac squad rhinos are full up.

I know I have a lot of melta in pods and very few in the tac squads but I'm not sure I like have a Grav Cannon/melta gun in a 10 man squad instead of mixing them up. Then again, if I combat squad them I don't guess it really matters since they can choose their own targets. Thoughts on this?

Another option would be to take the two 10 man tac squads back down to 4 and try to fit a librarian on a bike w/shroud of heroes in here for at least SOME psychic defense/offense.

Anyways, I appreciate the advice! ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/704597/8948839.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/704597/8948839.page GMT [1850] - Dark Angels - Lion's Blade - Want your opinion to see how competitive this is
the rest is great you'll often do fine.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/704597/8948879.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/704597/8948879.page GMT [1850] - Dark Angels - Lion's Blade - Want your opinion to see how competitive this is
Only reason I was throwing in the melta was to deal with duper heavies. Got a guy in my meta that frequently runs at least 3 renegade knights since they ignore the immobilize result stuff with grav. But taking a step back and looking at all the grav, AC, and meltapods i don't think I should have TO much trouble with those kinds of list. Even if a command squad can't blow one when they come in they still get to overwatch at full BS if he charges (assuming he does charge and they survive the shooting phase haha).

But thanks for the advice. I wanted to hammer out a good list before i put together the models I have and buy the few more i still need.

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One other question, is it possible that I have to much grav in this army? I've been thinking about the Nids and Daemon armies. With all those grav, it really only leaves a few flamers, AC, and the Melta squads to deal with them. I was thinking about going back and adding some plasma to this list. Any thoughts on this?

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One other thing i wanted to ask about. With all this grav I feel like I may struggle against deamon armies and Nids. I'm debating sprinkling some plasma in there to deal with it but i'm not sure if it would be better then all the grav. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/704597/8948903.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/704597/8948903.page GMT