<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "[1850] - Dark Angels - Ravenwing Black knights"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/14.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net [1850] - Dark Angels - Ravenwing Black knights 40K. So, I wanted to build a list based on them.

A point to note, I know how much of a hard time AV13-14 could give this list. Along with fliers. I have a plan - ignore them and grab objectives whilst jinking....

So, new list.

Interrogator chaplain, bike, mace of redemption
Librarian, level 2, bike, force axe, auspex
Librarian, level 2, bike, force axe, shroud of heros.

Command squad - 6 black knights, includes apothecary, ravenwing banner, champion and grenade launcher

5 black knights, 1 grenade launcher
5 black knights, 1 grenade launcher
5 black knights, 1 grenade launcher
5 black knights, 1 grenade launcher
5 black knights, 1 grenade launcher

Darkshroud
Darkshroud

1850 on the nose. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/705395/8961769.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/705395/8961769.page GMT [1850] - Dark Angels - Ravenwing Black knights http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/705395/8965911.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/705395/8965911.page GMT [1850] - Dark Angels - Ravenwing Black knights http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/705395/8966411.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/705395/8966411.page GMT [1850] - Dark Angels - Ravenwing Black knights
Many think Tau hard counter Ravenwing with their Ignores cover, but you can kill all their markerlights pretty quickly. The best way to counter Jink saves is close combat.

In my Ravenwing experience, multiple imperial knights may be the worst matchup, followed by demons. I haven't played against one of those new dog deathstars but they prolly beat everything. What these armies have in common are multiple very mobile and hard hitting assault units that aren't easily shot off the board. Some Deathstars can be outmaneuvered, Tyranids and orks are difficult but beatable. That Ravenguard detachment that charges out of drop pods is mean but still p rare.

The best part about playing Ravenwing is countering Eldar HARD. Ignore the wraithknight and cover the board so the jetbikes and warp spiders have nowhere to hide, then chase them down.

Anyway Black Knights work best in small units of three or four models, and you don't need many grenade launchers. Hope that helps!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/705395/8967034.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/705395/8967034.page GMT [1850] - Dark Angels - Ravenwing Black knights
 axisofentropy wrote:
The best part about playing Ravenwing is countering Eldar HARD. Ignore the wraithknight and cover the board so the jetbikes and warp spiders have nowhere to hide, then chase them down.

Unfortunately, many Eldar players these days take the Skathach version of the Wraithknight, which fires those huge template weapons. No cover save there. I recently faced a list of Eldar with Dark Eldar allies, including a Skathach WK and a unit of Wraithguard and an Archon with Webway Portal. Those Wraithguard dropped right next to my RW Command Squad and just erased it with their templates. So, while I'd say Ravenwing are generally good against Eldar, they are far from a hard counter.

On topic, I think in this list I'd swap a couple of those units of Black Knights for like three units of regular bikes with either Grav or Melta. Grav is pretty handy against almost anything, and you still have your bolters for the stuff that grav sucks against (like Daemons).]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/705395/8967111.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/705395/8967111.page GMT [1850] - Dark Angels - Ravenwing Black knights
axisofentropy wrote:Anyway Black Knights work best in small units of three or four models


What's your feelings on the command squad ? Is a larger command squad with the apoth wort it, or just best to keep Black Knights MSU ?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/705395/8969682.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/705395/8969682.page GMT [1850] - Dark Angels - Ravenwing Black knights
Bartali wrote:
axisofentropy wrote:Anyway Black Knights work best in small units of three or four models


What's your feelings on the command squad ? Is a larger command squad with the apoth wort it, or just best to keep Black Knights MSU ?
oh yeah a command squad of 5-6 models with apothecary is a great place for HQ to survive turn one and get into position for turn 2 charge. Champion is fine, banner is optional; I don't take one.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/705395/8970037.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/705395/8970037.page GMT