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				<description><![CDATA[ First attempt at a 1500 Imperial fists army, thoughts appreciated...<br /> <br /> Pedro Kantor - 185<br /> <br /> Tactical Squad [10 Men] + Missile Launcher [with Flakk]<br /> -Razorback + Assault cannon. - 230<br /> <br /> Tactical Squad [10 Men] + Missile Launcher [with Flakk]<br /> -Razorback + Assault cannon. - 230<br /> <br /> Tactical Squad [10 Men] + Missile Launcher [with Flakk]<br /> -Razorback + Assault cannon. - 230<br /> <br /> Sternguard Squad [10 Men] - 220<br /> <br /> x3 Vindicator + Storm Bolters + Siege Shields - 405<br /> <br /> Not sure whether to field the vindicators as a line breaker or if they would be better off running on their own, let me know what you think!<br /> <br /> Thanks-]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 20 Oct 2016 15:24:24]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ tenclaw]]></author>
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				<title>[1500] - Space Marines - Imperial Fists</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ I don’t think it’s worth it to squadron the larger tanks.  Not without something else going on.  You end up with a very expensive unit that can only target one thing a turn.  In the case of the Vindis, all it takes is one result that prevents one of the tanks from shooting (and there are a <i>lot</i> of things that can cause this) and that massive investment goes out the window, as you won’t be able to shoot the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(7);'>apoc</span> blast.<br /> <br /> Where is Kantor going and what is he doing?  If he wants to ride, he’s just going to be hanging out with half a naked <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(167);'>tac</span> squad.  But the other option is to footslog with the sternguard.<br /> <br /> Who need a ride.  They do very well in a drop pod, but at least get the boys a rhino.  As you are not running combis, they don’t have to ensure the aplha strike to gain their points back.  If you want to keep your mechanized theme, dropping them down to 9 men and putting the boss in there would be my suggestion.<br /> <br /> Flack missiles are generally overpriced and ineffective.  Crimson Fists can get some use out of them in a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(29);'>Dev</span> squad.  There at least you have tank hunter to help get your hits in.  I’d also get specials/combis on the half squads that are moving forward in the razors.<br /> <br /> I’d suggest dropping one of the vindis, and running the remaining two solo.  That not only frees up points, but a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(57);'>HS</span> slot.<br /> <br /> A few thoughts of what to do next.  You are obviously concerned with <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(805);'>AA</span>.  My primary suggestion would be to get a stormtalon to fly air cover.  They are scrappy little birds, and very flexible.  If you want to keep the mechanized armored column theme (which I think makes a cool, fluffy list) I’d grab a stalker tank.  For the price of one of those half tacs with a flack <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(328);'>ML</span>, you get a dedicated <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(805);'>AA</span> platform that will out perform all 3 of the ones you included in your list.  The last option would be to use the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(57);'>HS</span> slot and the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(328);'>ML</span> marines to make a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(29);'>dev</span> squad.  This takes advantage of your <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(436);'>CT</span>, and quite possibly the minis you own (as <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(328);'>MLs</span> are quite common in most marine player’s collection)<br /> <br /> I’d also use some of the points to get the sternguard a rhino.  Depending on what’s left, some melta/c-meltas on the half <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(167);'>tac</span> squads in the razors.  Although I might swap one of them for a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(51);'>HB</span>/F full 10 man squad in a rhino.  But that’s very much a personal taste thing.<br /> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 20 Oct 2016 16:19:04]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Nevelon]]></author>
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				<title>Re:[1500] - Space Marines - Imperial Fists</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ I see what you mean about the lack of transport for the Sternguard, and the Flakk missiles, I've tweeked things slightly to get a transport in and possibly a bit more use from the sternguard if they get charged.<br /> <br /> Pedro Kantor - 185 <br /> <br /> Tactical Squad [10 Men] + Missile Launcher <br /> -Razorback + Assault cannon. - 220 <br /> <br /> Tactical Squad [10 Men] + Missile Launcher <br /> -Razorback + Assault cannon. - 220 <br /> <br /> Tactical Squad [10 Men] + Missile Launcher <br /> -Razorback + Assault cannon. - 220 <br /> <br /> Sternguard Squad [9 Men] <br /> + Heavy Flamer + Power Weapon + MeltaBombs <br /> -Rhino                                       -263<br /> <br /> x3 Vindicator + Storm Bolters + Dozer Blades - 390<br /> <br /> Total - 1498<br /> <br /> I like the idea of 3 vindicators but I'll run these separately using the razorbacks to cover the side armour on turn one to avoid any deep striking melta.<br /> <br /> Sternguard roll up in rhino with Kantor and can take an assault if needed, otherwise the rest of the units split up and camp home objectives/move on to other objectives.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 21 Oct 2016 09:45:17]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ tenclaw]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I think you should swap the rhino from the stern for a drop pod. You want to get that heavy flamer into range right away and being with 12" for double tap on the stern guard is really powerful with your chapter tactics. ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 21 Oct 2016 12:55:28]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Icelord]]></author>
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