http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/14.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net wwp Dark Artisan, 3 squads of 6 reavers, 2 triple lance Ravagers, but only 2 Venoms w/ Warriors. While it was fun to play garage style, anytime I came up against a good tourney list, commanded by a decent player, I got rofl-stomped.

So the plan is to drop the 2 Ravagers (never did a damn thing anyway), the Dark Artisan (which was super unreliable) and add another CAD. It's basically my 1250 list plus an additional CAD. It's also the basis of my Space Elf biker gang. and has the benefit of being already painted (even if 12 of the Reavers are the old 3rd editions) and ready to go.

On to the list

Grotesqurie (470 pts)

Haemonculus w/scissorhand & Sump

3 Grotesques including Abby w/scissorhand
Raider w/dissies, prow, & sail

3 Grotesques including Abby w/scissorhand
Raider w/dissies, prow, & sail

DE CAD 1 (799 pts)

Succubus w/glaive,AoM, & hwg

3 Mandrakes

5 Kabalite Warriors
Venom w/2 splintercannons

5 Kabalite Warriors
Venom w/2 splintercannons

6 Reavers w/2 cluster caltrops & 2 Heat Lances

6 Reavers w/2 cluster caltrops & 2 Heat Lances

6 Reavers w/2 cluster caltrops & 2 Heat Lances

DE CAD 2 (581 pts)

Lhamean
Venom w/2 splintercannons & Grisly Trophies

3 Mandrakes

3 Mandrakes

5 Kabalite Warriors
Venom w/splintercannons

5 Kabalite Warriors
Venom w/2 splintercannons

3 Reavers w/1 cluster caltrops & 1 Heat Lance

3 Reavers w/1 cluster caltrops & 1 Heat Lance

3 Reavers w/1 cluster caltrops & 1 Heat Lance

1850 pts

I have a lot of options with this list, and MSU seems like the way to go with DE (duh). The inclusion of the small units of Mandrakes gives me some counter infiltrators, outflanking objective grabbers and some cheap speed bumps. Venoms gang up on infantry units and grab objectives, while Grotesques and Reavers take out vehicles and do the heavy lifting.

Any ideas on how to improve the list and any helpful advice to make enemies out of my friends?! ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/706967/8991910.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/706967/8991910.page GMT
Why are you not using Realspace CAD and making more units of bikes?

6 units of 3 units then 3 units of 3 units?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/706967/8992206.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/706967/8992206.page GMT ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/706967/8992437.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/706967/8992437.page GMT CAD worth it over Realspace Raiders IMO.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/706967/8992495.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/706967/8992495.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/706967/8992565.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/706967/8992565.page GMT MSU's (but its During Nighting on turn 1 your Troops have 5+, other units 6+, but this literally is trash b.c NF gives Stealth, and Stealth is +1 to cover, so you will almost always have better cover, so stupid).

And 4 Venoms even with 4 Warrior units isnt alot, from all my games as DE, Warriors being ObjSec never played a roll, my bikes, scourges, and Grots/Talos on the other hand are always on objectives.

Not saying what you are doing it Bad, it was just an option if you didnt want 6man bike units
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/706967/8992636.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/706967/8992636.page GMT Thanx for your comments!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/706967/8992724.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/706967/8992724.page GMT