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What do you guys think are THE most important things I need to remember (from the 7th rules) before I begin playing. I played a lot during 2nd and 4th, so I know the basic mechanics really well.

Stuff like jump/jet/packs, swooping/gliding, psychic phase, new missions/objectives, new force org, and lots of special abilities and rules are a bit much to remember.

Perhaps this is a vague question. Are there some things new (or returning) players often get wrong or do wrong?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/707227/8997056.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/707227/8997056.page GMT New player, what are the most important/common things to remember? •Remember unit type special rules, such as Beasts having Move Through Cover, ect.
•Always remember to draw your maelstrom cards at the beginning of your turn.
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After that, everything else is cake

Being a shiny new player I have noticed even the guy I play against (who has been playing for years) will still reference a few rules or other information during our games. Not as much as I do, but it makes it fun and I learn a lot when he looks up stuff. Basically know the basics then learn (or in your case - RE-learn) the details as you go.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/707227/8997388.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/707227/8997388.page GMT New player, what are the most important/common things to remember? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/707227/8997408.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/707227/8997408.page GMT Re:New player, what are the most important/common things to remember?
I mean, there are SO many of these types of rules...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/707227/8997926.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/707227/8997926.page GMT New player, what are the most important/common things to remember? 40k I think is best summed up like one of the vets at our FLGS always says "No one has ever played a perfect game of 40k. If you both walk away from the table thinking no one cheated, neither of you were paying close enough attention."]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/707227/8998009.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/707227/8998009.page GMT Re:New player, what are the most important/common things to remember? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/707227/8998212.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/707227/8998212.page GMT New player, what are the most important/common things to remember?
That, and everyone forgets the Night Fighting rules]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/707227/8998241.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/707227/8998241.page GMT New player, what are the most important/common things to remember? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/707227/8998556.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/707227/8998556.page GMT New player, what are the most important/common things to remember?

ERJAK wrote:
The most important thing to learn about 40k I think is best summed up like one of the vets at our FLGS always says "No one has ever played a perfect game of 40k. If you both walk away from the table thinking no one cheated, neither of you were paying close enough attention."

That scares me a bit...

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Whitebeard wrote:

ERJAK wrote:
The most important thing to learn about 40k I think is best summed up like one of the vets at our FLGS always says "No one has ever played a perfect game of 40k. If you both walk away from the table thinking no one cheated, neither of you were paying close enough attention."

That scares me a bit...

True though even worse for vets who have older rules still rattling around inside their noggin, we call the effect garryhammer locally.

Games simply a bloated mess no one can keep straight anymore .]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/707227/8998630.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/707227/8998630.page GMT New player, what are the most important/common things to remember?

Whitebeard wrote:

ERJAK wrote:
The most important thing to learn about 40k I think is best summed up like one of the vets at our FLGS always says "No one has ever played a perfect game of 40k. If you both walk away from the table thinking no one cheated, neither of you were paying close enough attention."

That scares me a bit...

It's not really that bad, it's more "expect to forget rules". It happens even to seasoned players who forget to roll for Reserves. The point is to keep going with the game, fix it if you can, if it's too far gone, then move on.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/707227/8998646.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/707227/8998646.page GMT Re:New player, what are the most important/common things to remember?

ERJAK wrote:
The most important thing to learn about 40k I think is best summed up like one of the vets at our FLGS always says "No one has ever played a perfect game of 40k. If you both walk away from the table thinking no one cheated, neither of you were paying close enough attention."

I played against a Nid who dropped a bunch of units into the back of my line on deepstrike in perfect spots because "They have an ability and they don't scatter". He misunderstood how Pheromone Trail worked and I didn't know any better at the time to question it!

I started about 6 months ago and the best thing I found to do is to walk into the game being honest about your level of knowledge. Have fun playing. Then spend hours after the game looking up rules and things that confused you so that the next time you are prepared. People tend to get frustrated if you are trying to learn as you play so just go with the flow (even if you lose for reasons you don't understand) and do your research in between games. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/707227/8998662.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/707227/8998662.page GMT New player, what are the most important/common things to remember? And remember there is a psychic phase now. well and flying if you play with that but I haven't seen anybody use the new flyer rules.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/707227/8998679.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/707227/8998679.page GMT New player, what are the most important/common things to remember?

Verviedi wrote:
•Remember your phase order. If you move a unit and then immediately shoot, I have the right to deny you all further movement and psychic power use. If you charge and make attack rolls, I have the right to deny you any other charges you can make, due to the fact that you skipped the charge sub-phase.

If you actually do those things without previously asking: hey, don't you wanna continue on x before doing y? You're bound to be labeled TFG. Honestly this isn't something one should remember and be under such a threat in such a one-sided way.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/707227/8998692.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/707227/8998692.page GMT New player, what are the most important/common things to remember?
I know nothing of other codecies, so I just have to trust everyone.

Back in the day (2nd, 4th) I knew literally every rule, codex, and wargear like the back of my hand...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/707227/8998694.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/707227/8998694.page GMT New player, what are the most important/common things to remember? Then use vehicles...
Then Psykers...
and so on.
There are a LOT of silly little rules and processes in 7th.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/707227/8998713.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/707227/8998713.page GMT New player, what are the most important/common things to remember?

Lord Kragan wrote:

Verviedi wrote:
•Remember your phase order. If you move a unit and then immediately shoot, I have the right to deny you all further movement and psychic power use. If you charge and make attack rolls, I have the right to deny you any other charges you can make, due to the fact that you skipped the charge sub-phase.

Word. I have a house rule of "never play against pricks who pull this sort of thing more than once". ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/707227/8998733.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/707227/8998733.page GMT New player, what are the most important/common things to remember?
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/597998.page]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/707227/8998758.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/707227/8998758.page GMT New player, what are the most important/common things to remember?

alanmckenzie wrote:
As a fairly recently returning, and very infrequent player, I've found this resource very useful...
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/597998.page

This "cheat sheet" is invaluable for reminding the order of things and putting relevant rules for that phase in front of you.
The most important thing I find is to have a pretty good idea of the rules if you can: read the rule book a few times.
Put bookmarks on pages of the BRB like the "special rules" and anything else that you have trouble remembering.
It makes for a more enjoyable experience when players do not have to look everything up quite so much.

I have been around this game since 2nd edition.
The building on rules or "bloat" certainly makes me feel senile when rules from 3rd edition spring to mind in a 7th edition game.
It is hard to unlearn the prior rules you knew "cold" and now desperately need to forget.

I agree taking a look at the army selection portion of the rule book is important because it can be confusing.
I find this is the greatest source of unintentional cheating when people do not understand allies rules and detachments.

The best contribution I can make is REALLY know your codex(s) for the armies you field.
Mark off the gear and special rules sections with book marks.
I used to buy every single codex for every army up to 5th edition but from 6th edition-on it is almost impossible to keep up with it all.
So YOU need to know your rules, your opponent may not.
Be ready to show him some of the rules and educate (and prove you are not a cheating TFG).
You may not have anyone who can help with your army and the game will bog down like nobody's business.

I would say from a gaming / leisure side: you can be as serious as you want to strategize (internally) and do your best but PLEASE be polite to your opponent.
Head-games might be a consideration in a tournament but for weekly games it is more important to remember this is supposed to be leisure time.
Show your rolls, give benefit of the doubt once for each type of rule error, celebrate what he does well as well as your own outcomes, thank them for spending their time to play a game with you.

It is largely a social game and you need to consider that or we would all be at home playing console/computer games.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/707227/8998804.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/707227/8998804.page GMT New player, what are the most important/common things to remember?

Whitebeard wrote:
I haven't played since 4th (about 10 years). I am finishing up the rulebook now. There is alot here and some of it I have either forgotten or never seen. Most of the game is the same though.

What do you guys think are THE most important things I need to remember (from the 7th rules) before I begin playing. I played a lot during 2nd and 4th, so I know the basic mechanics really well.

Stuff like jump/jet/packs, swooping/gliding, psychic phase, new missions/objectives, new force org, and lots of special abilities and rules are a bit much to remember.

Perhaps this is a vague question. Are there some things new (or returning) players often get wrong or do wrong?

While the basic concept is the same, many of the details have changed. Here's the big 3 for Rules that, as a returning player, will likely trip you up. PAY CLOSE ATTENTION TO THESE:

#1 - "Detachments" are how you build an army, not Force Org's:
The idea of 1 HQ and 2 Troops is pretty much out. Things still have those designations, but that's not how you build your army. Instead, you can have any number of DETACHMENTS. Anything that tells you how to take units is a detachment. So, a "Formation", which requires you take certain units (like, say, the Aspect Shrine, which requires 3 units of Aspect Warriors), is it's own detachment. You can't merge detachments, units will only ever belong to one of them! The Combined Arms Detachment (aka a CAD) is a type of detachment as well, and that one requires 1 HQ and 2 Troops and the rest that you're used to, but it's just one option of many. You may hear of "super formations", "decurions", "gladius-type formations", or "formations of formations" - these all mean the same thing, but have no official designation from Games Workshop, and are detachments that are composed primarily of other formations. Most major codexes have these now (though not all; Tyranids, Dark Eldar, Orks, Blood Angels, Space Wolves), and are a single detachment, so models in them get bonus abilities from both their formation and this detachment, but are still NOT part of multiple detachments. You can't shove a CAD into one of these!

#2 - True Line of Sight & Closest-to-Closest casualties:
40k is based right now on True Line of Sight. Unless you're shooting indirect-fire weapons like Mortars, or have special rules that allow you to shoot a unit without needing Line of Sight, you absolutely cannot kill what you can't see. This also means that you can't charge someone on the other side of a door if none of your models can see them. Then, when you do shoot at them or engage them in close combat, you MUST start removing models closest to the attackers as possible. You get to choose if they're equidistant (like having lots of models in base-to-base contact), but otherwise this means special weapons and characters can be more easily picked off. There is a way to avoid having characters die like this, and that's Look Out Sir! Read those rules.

#3 - Some Rules Extend to Units, others just to Models
Really be careful when reading the rules as to whether the rulebook says "a unit with at least one model with this special rule" or "a unit composed entirely of models with this special rule" or "models with this special rule". Each means something VERY different! For example; Furious Charge works just for models with Furious Charge, and those are the only models that will get +1S on the charge. However, Shrouded works for a whole unit if just one model has Shrouded, so a Venomthrope may only give Shrouded to "models" within 6 inches, but if that Termagant is part of a big squad that stretches far away, they ALL get the benefit of Shrouded!

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EDIT: Right, and now 3 very useful tips!

Tip #1 - Close Combat is far less effective, Shooting is far more powerful
This isn't because of lethality, but because of how these interact with movement. Since a ton of things can move and Snap Fire, or move and fire at maximum effectiveness (Bolters can fire once at 24", or twice at 12", regardless of how far they move), it's not very costly to move to a better position. However, close combat units have to advance and approach these units, meaning they're struggling to get closer, and often have to expose their position more. For shooting, if you fail to be in range, you can reselect a new target at no cost (you can check range between everything now), but if you fail to be in range with a charging unit, you don't move at all. Also, enemies can shoot at you as you charge, which while it won't kill many models itself, if that shooting puts you outside of your charge range, you are almost definitely dead next turn. AND, on top of that, since shooting kills closest-to-closest, swarms of infantry lose their lead models first, meaning that it'll feel like they're moving even SLOWER.

Tip #2 - You NEED some way to get into a better position during the game
The days of infantry-only battle-lines are truly dead and buried. Every army has the ability to take things that will allow them to have units come down where they want them, or quickly move from one spot to another. If a unit isn't FAST, it's mostly dead weight. If you do take some models to just hold down back-lines, make them as cost effective as possible, because otherwise they're not pulling their weight. And when I say fast, I mean they need to be coming in through Outflank, Deep Strike, appear on the board already in position, have insanely fast transports, be a bike, or teleport from the board to another spot.

Tip #3 - Discuss with your opponent BEFORE the game
Used to be that you could walk in with a 1500 point list and be reasonably confident that your opponent's list wasn't just going to dominate you. There were the odd times (like Grey Knights pwnage, or Chaos Lash), but they were pretty rare. Now, there are LOTS of armies that can "break" the game very easily. A lot of this has to do with those Decurions I mentioned earlier. You need to discuss with your opponent what kind of game you want to make sure you're on the same page. If they're playing a ton of Imperial Knights, and you're sitting there with a CAD of Ork Boyz, it won't be a fun game except for the fact that it'll just be about removing Orks from the table. But if you both are in the same mind-set for the game, it'll be fun.

Good luck!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/707227/8998841.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/707227/8998841.page GMT Re:New player, what are the most important/common things to remember? Id only imagine the egg on my face if i had showed up to a tourney with that illegal list

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Vehicles rules as well.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/707227/9000707.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/707227/9000707.page GMT New player, what are the most important/common things to remember? 2 ) Reserves, moving, psychic, shooting, assault. I like to do a quick sweep of the table from left to right checking off each unit has done its thing before moving on to the next phase.
3 ) Don't forget to bring your books, don't rely on battlescribe in the middle of a game. IMHO, books are easier for looking stuff up on compared to tablets or whatever electronic device you use
4 ) Don't jump straight into 1850 point games. I'd suggest sarting at 500 - 1000 (though 500 is a bit low for some armies to achieve much). you can worry about growing into larger games when you're more comfortable with the ruleset and it allows you to identify things you have problems with so you can aim towards getting some models to address that as you go up in points.
5 ) Don't get so focused on killing things that you forget the mission objectives.
6 ) Be able to kill infantry
7 ) Be able to kill tanks
8 ) You're going to lose more than you win when you're starting out. Don't get discouraged because of that, instead, after the game, think about what worked and what didn't, ask you opponent what he thought you could have done better.
9 ) Shoot the markerlights first
10 ) Moving 6" a turn is generally bad, find a way to fix that for at least some, if not all of your units
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/707227/9000823.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/707227/9000823.page GMT New player, what are the most important/common things to remember?
Forge the Narrative.

Yes, it's something of a running joke on this board, but I'm actually being serious.

If you want competition, go play Overwatch or DOTA or CS:GO or Starcraft or LoL. This game is not meant to be competitive. Hell, the company that owns this game has repeatedly said, let alone demonstrated, that they don't care about balance (not to mention editing their own released works...).

Use the setting to build a scenario. Use the rules as mechanics to get you through that scenario. Build memories of that lone guardsman finding some ridiculous way to take down that carnifex or how that warlock survived, against all odds, against the daemon prince. Be silly. Be invested. Be fun.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/707227/9001021.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/707227/9001021.page GMT New player, what are the most important/common things to remember?
Formations are a thing now and give powerful buffs but a lot can be broken once a specific unit is removed.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/707227/9001170.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/707227/9001170.page GMT New player, what are the most important/common things to remember?

deathmagiks wrote:
This is the most important rule to remember about this game:

Forge the Narrative.

Yes, it's something of a running joke on this board, but I'm actually being serious.

If you want competition, go play Overwatch or DOTA or CS:GO or Starcraft or LoL. This game is not meant to be competitive. Hell, the company that owns this game has repeatedly said, let alone demonstrated, that they don't care about balance (not to mention editing their own released works...).

Use the setting to build a scenario. Use the rules as mechanics to get you through that scenario. Build memories of that lone guardsman finding some ridiculous way to take down that carnifex or how that warlock survived, against all odds, against the daemon prince. Be silly. Be invested. Be fun.

I am not a competitive player. But I dont think its a good idea to tell someone who is entering the hobby how to enjoy themselves. You can point out the lack of balance but leave it at that and let them decide how to have fun.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/707227/9001365.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/707227/9001365.page GMT New player, what are the most important/common things to remember?

Table wrote:

deathmagiks wrote:
This is the most important rule to remember about this game:

Forge the Narrative.

Yes, it's something of a running joke on this board, but I'm actually being serious.

If you want competition, go play Overwatch or DOTA or CS:GO or Starcraft or LoL. This game is not meant to be competitive. Hell, the company that owns this game has repeatedly said, let alone demonstrated, that they don't care about balance (not to mention editing their own released works...).

Use the setting to build a scenario. Use the rules as mechanics to get you through that scenario. Build memories of that lone guardsman finding some ridiculous way to take down that carnifex or how that warlock survived, against all odds, against the daemon prince. Be silly. Be invested. Be fun.

Fair enough.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/707227/9001431.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/707227/9001431.page GMT New player, what are the most important/common things to remember?

deathmagiks wrote:

Table wrote:
I am not a competitive player. But I dont think its a good idea to tell someone who is entering the hobby how to enjoy themselves. You can point out the lack of balance but leave it at that and let them decide how to have fun.

Fair enough.

I think some description of what is attractive to the game or a player type may be in order.
It was basically said that if you are in this game for competitive play, there may be some disappointment.
It was a perfectly valid statement that anything goofy can be done and may be appreciated by others.
The talking with your opponent before the game advice would be greatly recommended.
All we are trying to avoid here is someone being tabled in a game... that is no fun for either player (unless the relevant sadist / masochist traits apply).

I think the main draw of 40k is the insane amount of lore/fluff for the universe depicted.
That is probably why so many of us get foaming at the mouth when unholy alliances are made in army lists that go against canon.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/707227/9001539.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/707227/9001539.page GMT New player, what are the most important/common things to remember?

See, to me this sounds like an 'everyone once in a while to put a new spin on things' thing to me. I could never play every game like that, building scenarios is boring to me. Sure the game itself is fun but the setup is just a slog. I'd much rather spend that time list building.

Not to critisize anyone who does play mainly narrative, it's an equally valid way to play, just throwing in my 2 cents.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/707227/9001649.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/707227/9001649.page GMT New player, what are the most important/common things to remember?
Assault/charging and overwatch rules are different now and I need to re-read those sections for more clarity. I found them a bit confusing.

It is very hard to keep track of all my saving throws/shrouded/AP weapons/special rules/etc.

I had a lot of fun and look forward to more games.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/707227/9004159.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/707227/9004159.page GMT New player, what are the most important/common things to remember? Tau in particular have interesting rules for "overwatch".
Special rules I cannot emphasize enough needing to know.
Do not forget things like "Feel no pain" as another layer of "saving throw".]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/707227/9005868.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/707227/9005868.page GMT New player, what are the most important/common things to remember?

Lord Kragan wrote:

Verviedi wrote:
•Remember your phase order. If you move a unit and then immediately shoot, I have the right to deny you all further movement and psychic power use. If you charge and make attack rolls, I have the right to deny you any other charges you can make, due to the fact that you skipped the charge sub-phase.

Obviously, I wouldn't actually do that. But it is perfectly within my right to do so.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/707227/9006818.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/707227/9006818.page GMT New player, what are the most important/common things to remember?
== Vehicle rules: Vehicles have hit points now, so they're automatically Wrecked after a certain number of damage hits are scored. Glancing hits don't give you a roll on the Damage Table anymore.
== Snap Shots: Some stuff that would disallow shooting in previous editions no longer does so; instead, you can fire Snap Shots, which reduces your BS to 1. Stunned vehicles, units that have Gone to Ground, units that have moved but want to fire Heavy Weapons, vehicles that moved 12", all can shoot now, but it's Snap Shots only. Also you can move a unit but if the Heavy Weapon Guy stands still he doesn't count as moving and can fire at full BS.
== Assault: Random charge distances - 2D6" in most situations, -2" for going through terrain. Charged units get to Overwatch; they make a shooting attack with all their ranged weapons but it's Snap Shots only. Also you can throw Grenades in the shooting phase now.
== Psykers: They work like they used to in WFB; they have their own phase of the turn where all psychic powers are used (so no more Ld tests in certain phases to use certain powers), you get a number of dice equal to the mastery levels of all the psykers in your army plus D6 with which to cast powers, and the opponent gets to try and Deny your powers using his own dice.
== Gargantuan Creatures & Super-Heavy Vehicles: Used to be an "Apocalypse-only" thing. Now they're everywhere. Expect Apocalyptic Barrages, Massive Blasts and Hellstorm templates in 1500pt games.
== Fleet: Like someone else said, no longer allows Running then charging. In fact there are very few abilities in the game which allow this anymore.

Everything else is pretty similar to 5th. Hope that helps.

OT...

Lord Kragan wrote:
Verviedi wrote:
•Remember your phase order. If you move a unit and then immediately shoot, I have the right to deny you all further movement and psychic power use. If you charge and make attack rolls, I have the right to deny you any other charges you can make, due to the fact that you skipped the charge sub-phase.

If you actually do those things without previously asking: hey, don't you wanna continue on x before doing y? You're bound to be labeled TFG.

Exalted. It's shocking how seriously some people take their Warhams.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/707227/9006942.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/707227/9006942.page GMT New player, what are the most important/common things to remember?

BBAP wrote:

Lord Kragan wrote:
Verviedi wrote:
•Remember your phase order. If you move a unit and then immediately shoot, I have the right to deny you all further movement and psychic power use. If you charge and make attack rolls, I have the right to deny you any other charges you can make, due to the fact that you skipped the charge sub-phase.

If you actually do those things without previously asking: hey, don't you wanna continue on x before doing y? You're bound to be labeled TFG.

Exalted. It's shocking how seriously some people take their Warhams.

There is also a point where prompting the player with "Are you sure you are done?" could get irritating.
I played a game last night where yes, I forgot a few things and my opponent let it happen with no comment.
I take my lumps and I learn from them.
I do not think of my opponent as TFG for not looking out for me, really now... it is some passing attempt at competition here: my opponent is not my mentor.
I honestly do not see anyone get any better at something unless they have some incentive to do so.

On topic for important things to remember I guess I would add: we are human.
- We go into the game with different ideas of fun.
- We have different ideas of what is polite.
- There will be differing expectations of what is expected from an opponent.
- Every last one of us have a different idea of what is a "reasonable" army list.

I figure, communicate your intentions along with your actions and keep it nice (at least on the social level) and it should all work out.

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As a related note, don't be afraid to not play. If the game isn't being fun for you, then stop playing. Take a break from it-or choose your opponents more carefully.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/707227/9007581.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/707227/9007581.page GMT New player, what are the most important/common things to remember?
Also, remember it's possible to flip most tables easily, and rage quitting a game is something people do these days. Just be ready to clean up your mess and leave quickly afterwards.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/707227/9007589.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/707227/9007589.page GMT New player, what are the most important/common things to remember?

techsoldaten wrote:
Also, remember it's possible to flip most tables easily, and rage quitting a game is something people do these days. Just be ready to clean up your mess and leave quickly afterwards.

I am not typically a supporter of violence but a table-flip with my fully painted army being included may cause me to channel my own internal Kharn (KILL!, MAIM!, BURN!), I do not let him out much.
Ahem, I think a mortgage with some 36 easy payments could be arranged.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/707227/9007639.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/707227/9007639.page GMT New player, what are the most important/common things to remember? What army are you playing? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/707227/9007667.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/707227/9007667.page GMT New player, what are the most important/common things to remember? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/707227/9007681.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/707227/9007681.page GMT New player, what are the most important/common things to remember?

Kriswall wrote:
Spend a lot of time going over the army building section. You've probably never played with Detachments/Formations/Unbound before. There is no such thing as a "standard force org" anymore. Be prepared to see some pretty strange looking (and sometimes ultra-cheesy and unfluffy) armies.

This is super important to know. ^

It's amazing that even veteran players are still getting it wrong. Nearly every time I play I still have to teach people about Objective Secured. Remember this... Just because you're a Troops choice does NOT mean that you get the Objective Secured special rule.

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Talizvar wrote:

BBAP wrote:
Lord Kragan wrote:
Verviedi wrote:
•Remember your phase order. If you move a unit and then immediately shoot, I have the right to deny you all further movement and psychic power use. If you charge and make attack rolls, I have the right to deny you any other charges you can make, due to the fact that you skipped the charge sub-phase.

If you actually do those things without previously asking: hey, don't you wanna continue on x before doing y? You're bound to be labeled TFG.
Exalted. It's shocking how seriously some people take their Warhams.

In all honesty it depends. If a guy goes, 'don't you wanna do your orders now at the start of my shooting phase' (seeing all guard orders have to be done in the shooting phase before 'anything' else) I'm grateful seeing it can give me an unfair advantage and I keep forgetting that you can't do them as you please during your own shooting phase. As was my opponent grateful when I kept reminding him to choose combat doctrines. It helps stop people forget incredibly simple things we all forget during a game and if it's a "free" bonus of sort no-one is going to get angry or annoyed you've reminded them.

That said I hate it when I get asked to explain pointless stuff, action or constant tips, such as someone asking my 'oh you need to declare your flyrants movement mode' (the same as last turn unless I say otherwise

).... or are you sure you don't wanna charge unit X against unit Y. I had one guy constantly ask why I wasn't shooting at his Riptide.... about 3 times every single goddamn turn

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Baldeagle91 wrote:
That said I hate it when I get asked to explain pointless stuff, action or constant tips, such as someone asking my 'oh you need to declare your flyrants movement mode' (the same as last turn unless I say otherwise

).... or are you sure you don't wanna charge unit X against unit Y. I had one guy constantly ask why I wasn't shooting at his Riptide.... about 3 times every single goddamn turn

That approaches the realm of trying to intentionally distract your opponent, which is in general a dickish thing to do. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/707227/9012095.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/707227/9012095.page GMT