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++Black Crusade++
+Maelstrom of Gore+
Chaos Lord on Juggernaut w/ Axe of Blind Fury & Sigil of Corruption - 160 (Free Mark of Khorne) [Warlord]
5 Berserkers, Champ w/ Meltabombs - 110
-Rhino - 35
5 Berserkers, Champ w/ Meltabombs - 110
-Rhino - 35
5 Berserkers, Champ w/ Meltabombs - 110
5 Berserkers, Champ w/ Meltabombs - 110

+Spawn Auxiliary++
3 Spawn - 90

+Helforged Warpack+
Warpsmith, replaces Bolt Pistol w/ Combi-Melta - 120
Forgefiend - 175 - Alpha
Maulerfiend - 125
Maulerfiend - 125

+Helforged Warpack+
Warpsmith, replaces Bolt Pistol w/ Combi-Melta - 120
Forgefiend - 175 - Alpha
Maulerfiend - 125
Maulerfiend - 125

Notes: The Lord joins the spawn until it's time to charge, in which case he'll probably split off to hit another unit.

I took two Rhinos for the Berserkers, but they won't use them. Rather, they're there for the Warpsmiths to "hijack" on turn 1. This makes them a pricier "Suicide Melta" team compared to the normal 5-man Chaos squad, but they get a few cute utility options to work with.

The Berserkers run on foot (ideally infiltrating into better positions). They took Melta-bombs so they have something to blow up walkers/MCs with during the turn they pop Red Rain. Forgefiends are "fire support" for popping trouble support elements (infinite-use Daemonforge is quite handy), and Maulerfiends support the Berserkers in tearing through targets.

Fleet and improved run distance makes Berserkers surprisingly quick when it comes to getting around. They're no Flesh Hounds though they'll still wreck stuff on a charge.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/707336/8999299.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/707336/8999299.page GMT

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If i was going to maelstrom id bring 3 land raiders and a forgeworld drop pod. But ya, hardly competitive everything overpriced. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/707336/8999410.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/707336/8999410.page GMT
Land Raiders aren't worth taking unless you're running Lucifer or some other army gimmick (I could see them being annoying with Ork allies, but that's about it).

The main issue would be certain alpha-strike armies/reserves of course, or the old "bad dice rolls" issue.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/707336/8999480.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/707336/8999480.page GMT KDK? Every option you have selected is available, and KDK do it better with Blood Tithe.

The second Warpack is full of wasted points.... Warpsmith, Forgefiend... not optimal selections. You can take 5 Maulerfiends and still have points left over for an Air Superiority Detachment of KDK Heldrakes.

Berzerkers can't get it done. The Maelstrom of Gore is only decent with Landraider or Psychic support. You are literally using 110pt units to hold objectives, when you could be using the Chaos Warband for Objective Secured.

If you're going to take Spawn, its 1 or 5, full stop. The reason we use Spawn is to give a place for Characters to hide... but you only have 1 character. One of the biggest strengths of the Black Crusade Detachment is the ability to take 5 or more Independent Characters!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/707336/9000582.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/707336/9000582.page GMT
To keep the character of the list what I'd do is run one hunting pack and have four maulerfiends and a forgefiend. You save a forgefiend and a warpsmith. Give rhinos to all berzerker units, attack the warpsmith to one of those units. Take three units of spawn instead of one, and make sure the unit the lord joins is a unit of 5. I'd probably have at least three spawn in the two other units so they're a meaningful threat. Any points left over would be spent on more berzerkers.

Realistically I'd be looking to give one or two berzerker champions power fists/weapons for rule of cool. That's just personal taste though. I love kitting out my unit leaders differently to give them character]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/707336/9001479.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/707336/9001479.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/707336/9001638.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/707336/9001638.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/707336/9003352.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/707336/9003352.page GMT