shogun wrote:
This way you can have your 4 characters but I still think its better to drop the whole CAD with characters and get another subterean uprising.

 BBAP wrote:

In my view I think you need the characters, if only for Denial dice. Stuff like Perfect Timing and Invisibility **has** to be Denied, and 8 dice is a reasonable number for doing that. Plus it gives you enough dice to have a decent chance of getting your own powers off past Librarius Conclaves and the like.

shogun wrote:
Its often better to deploy behind the aegis defence line (4+ cover with shrouded first turn) and go into ongoing reserves with everything and start playing second turn.

shogun wrote:
If I were you I would playtest an armylist with less psykers and more units

Timeshadow wrote:
I prefer the cavalcade because every unit in it has a benefit.

 BBAP wrote:

Timeshadow wrote:
I prefer the cavalcade because every unit in it has a benefit.

I'm not seeing the benefits, to be honest. I've never felt the army lacked for firepower either of the times I played it - with Cult Ambush you have the mobility to neutralise and counter any long-range shooting that's set against you, especially so with the Uprisings, so spending three Acolyte squad's-worth of points on an Outflanking tank just seems wasteful to me. I suppose if you're looking for units to keep on the table while Ambushing everything else you could do worse than a Leman Russ and some AV12, but I dunno... I'm not sold on it at all.

Timeshadow wrote:
Try seeing what happens to most meq units when an ar 12 walker assaults them

 BBAP wrote:

shogun wrote:
If I were you I would playtest an armylist with less psykers and more units

Yeah, I'm thinking this myself now. Finished the game against the Eldar - there was no point at which I felt the psykers did anything decisive (not even the Denials, although he did roll some pretty wretched powers), and the Acolytes and Morphs are so fragile it's almost impossible to count on them for anything. Two squads apiece were failing to wipe 4 bikes or 5 Spiders a turn, and even when I thought it was safe to send them in alone they sometimes came close to whiffing - one squad of Morphs almost lost a fight against two Vaul's Wrath battery crewmen thanks to some hot Overwatch rolling and two wounds at I5.

The answer definitely seems to be more units. I might try that next week, maybe run two Patriarchs and some more Uprisings. I might even take a Primus - I had a streak of really good Ambush rolls followed by a streak of really bad ones, even with the 2D6 from the formation, which made the game harder than it needed to be, I felt. The Primus would help smooth that out a bit.

I still don't like him though, lol

shogun wrote:
Apart from that I rather go for Telepathy because it gives you a better toolbox of options.

 BBAP wrote:

shogun wrote:
Apart from that I rather go for Telepathy because it gives you a better toolbox of options.

I don't necessarily disagree, but I do think Broodmind is worth considering. Psychic Stimulus and Mass Hypnosis are nifty powers in their own right, and Telepathic Summons is awesome. Unlike Summoning, which gives you a bunch of vanilla Daemons Troops which nobody cares about, the units you get from a 3-charge Telepathic Summons can be quite scary. Being able to drop upgraded units of Morphs or Purestrains on people seems like it'd make for a serious stressor, especially in turns where you have a big Ambush coming in. If nothing else it gives your opponent one more unit to try and kill before it vanishes, or potentially provides you another hidden placeholder so you can Return everything else.

All that said, Telepathy definitely seems like a better choice for the Patriarch.