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4 Tactical Marines
Boltguns
Frag and Krak Grenades
Power Armor
56 pts

1 Tactical Marine Sergeant
Boltgun
Chainsword
Power Armor
Frag and Krak Grenades
14 pts

2 Ravenwing Bikers
Bolt Pistol
Frag and Krak Grenades
Twin-linked Boltgun
50 pts

1 Ravenwing Sergeant
Chainsword
Twin-linked Boltgun
Frag and Krak Grenades
25 pts

1 Ravenwing Dark Talon
2x Hurricane Bolter
Rift Cannon
Stasis Bomb
160 pts

1 Vindicator
Demolisher Cannon
Siege Shield
Smoke Launchers and Searchlight
Extra Armor
Storm Bolter

thanks ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/708818/9029844.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/708818/9029844.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/708818/9029927.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/708818/9029927.page GMT
1: you a have a single troop and no HQ. not even enough for an allied slot. maybe my missing school league knowledge is showing here, but no ObSec, and marines footslogging and unupgraded are gonna die horribly.

2: WAY too many points invested in that Vindicator. in larger games sure? but at 450pts? losing that tanks gonna hurt like hell...

3: Bringing a flier is risky. unlikely to be hard countered at those points; but depending on board size may not be around for long enough to kill its pts back, let alone yield a profit.

4: unupgraded bikers are deadweight bikers. you're fast, tough; but unable to do any damage.

Hope this helps?
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As others say above, the vindicator and flyer aren't really appropriate at 450 points.

All Tactical Squads need transports to be effective. Rhinos and drop pods are most cost effective.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/708818/9030720.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/708818/9030720.page GMT