Drasius wrote:
The sorceror may not run and charge, so you're a bit out of luck there and the Tzaangors have a 6++ save, so you're going to haemorrage models if the target unit has even the most basic melee capability, not to mention that you're getting shot to bits if you don't get first turn while if you're in cover, you're taking a dangerous terrain test and basically losing every model that rolls a 1 because you've got no save. I think you can get around the run and charge bit by sticking the sorc on a disk so he isn't forced to run when the tzaangors do though, so that's something I guess.

610 points is a large amount to spend on what is effectively 50 cultists and a sorceror. At least your cultists are T4 I guess, but that's precious little to be happy about with the preponderance of Str6+ volume of fire around these days as they'll be wounding you on 2's just the same as if you were T3.

 changerofways wrote:

 Drasius wrote:
The sorceror may not run and charge, so you're a bit out of luck there and the Tzaangors have a 6++ save, so you're going to haemorrage models if the target unit has even the most basic melee capability, not to mention that you're getting shot to bits if you don't get first turn while if you're in cover, you're taking a dangerous terrain test and basically losing every model that rolls a 1 because you've got no save. I think you can get around the run and charge bit by sticking the sorc on a disk so he isn't forced to run when the tzaangors do though, so that's something I guess.

610 points is a large amount to spend on what is effectively 50 cultists and a sorceror. At least your cultists are T4 I guess, but that's precious little to be happy about with the preponderance of Str6+ volume of fire around these days as they'll be wounding you on 2's just the same as if you were T3.

Aye, going second would hurt badly here. As you say, trying to negate this by starting them in cover means dangerous terrain tests for all 30 of them when they blast off with the grimoire. I hadn't noticed that the sorcerer wouldn't get to run in charge, which means he's out, and the tzaangors are no longer fearless, but Ld 8. Damn. Yeah this doesn't seem so good anymore.

 MagicJuggler wrote:

 changerofways wrote:

 Drasius wrote:
The sorceror may not run and charge, so you're a bit out of luck there and the Tzaangors have a 6++ save, so you're going to haemorrage models if the target unit has even the most basic melee capability, not to mention that you're getting shot to bits if you don't get first turn while if you're in cover, you're taking a dangerous terrain test and basically losing every model that rolls a 1 because you've got no save. I think you can get around the run and charge bit by sticking the sorc on a disk so he isn't forced to run when the tzaangors do though, so that's something I guess.

610 points is a large amount to spend on what is effectively 50 cultists and a sorceror. At least your cultists are T4 I guess, but that's precious little to be happy about with the preponderance of Str6+ volume of fire around these days as they'll be wounding you on 2's just the same as if you were T3.

Aye, going second would hurt badly here. As you say, trying to negate this by starting them in cover means dangerous terrain tests for all 30 of them when they blast off with the grimoire. I hadn't noticed that the sorcerer wouldn't get to run in charge, which means he's out, and the tzaangors are no longer fearless, but Ld 8. Damn. Yeah this doesn't seem so good anymore.

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