Ravingbantha wrote:
How do you want to play your army, what would you generally face, and where do you feel the biggest gap is i your army? I think the problem most people have with army building, is they try to make a one size fits all army. That doesn't really work in general play, and unless your looking to build a tournament army, should not be your real focus. Every army and every opponent you face will be different. Your play style with Imperial knights will be different then the way other people might play.

My advise is to try out a few different options. Hopefully the people at your local game shop are cool and don't mind proxies if you cannot afford different allies. Get a feel for your army, perhaps just play it as a straight army for 2 or 3 games, then see where your army needs help. Get the vibe of your local group and go from there. I am of the mind set that any army can win if you are playing to your strengths and understand the forces you are playing against.

Khadorstompy wrote:

Ravingbantha wrote:
How do you want to play your army, what would you generally face, and where do you feel the biggest gap is i your army? I think the problem most people have with army building, is they try to make a one size fits all army. That doesn't really work in general play, and unless your looking to build a tournament army, should not be your real focus. Every army and every opponent you face will be different. Your play style with Imperial knights will be different then the way other people might play.

My advise is to try out a few different options. Hopefully the people at your local game shop are cool and don't mind proxies if you cannot afford different allies. Get a feel for your army, perhaps just play it as a straight army for 2 or 3 games, then see where your army needs help. Get the vibe of your local group and go from there. I am of the mind set that any army can win if you are playing to your strengths and understand the forces you are playing against.

Lots of Flyers in my area. Lots of FW. Usually I use my knights as mainly heavy artillery. I have 5 magnetized knights for any of the Standard loadouts. 2 Castigators and 1 Atrapos. Castigators can deal with blobs pretty well. And the rest can deal with heavies and other nuisances.

Ravingbantha wrote:

Khadorstompy wrote:

Ravingbantha wrote:
How do you want to play your army, what would you generally face, and where do you feel the biggest gap is i your army? I think the problem most people have with army building, is they try to make a one size fits all army. That doesn't really work in general play, and unless your looking to build a tournament army, should not be your real focus. Every army and every opponent you face will be different. Your play style with Imperial knights will be different then the way other people might play.

My advise is to try out a few different options. Hopefully the people at your local game shop are cool and don't mind proxies if you cannot afford different allies. Get a feel for your army, perhaps just play it as a straight army for 2 or 3 games, then see where your army needs help. Get the vibe of your local group and go from there. I am of the mind set that any army can win if you are playing to your strengths and understand the forces you are playing against.

Lots of Flyers in my area. Lots of FW. Usually I use my knights as mainly heavy artillery. I have 5 magnetized knights for any of the Standard loadouts. 2 Castigators and 1 Atrapos. Castigators can deal with blobs pretty well. And the rest can deal with heavies and other nuisances.

So it sounds like your real issues is just dealing with flyers, unless I'm mistaking. If your issue is dealing with fliers then I would suggest adding in a flyer detachment from Skies of death, this would give you several options as to which fliers you want to add in. The up side, is that not only can your fliers be used to handle other fliers, but depending on which you use, they can also help plug holes when dealing with ground forces. StormHawks and StormTalons are cheap but more on the Fragile side. I wouldn't recommend StormRavens as you are waiting points on a Transport capacity that you cannot use, however StormFangs are a bit sturdier and offer several weapon options but clock in around twice to cost of the Hawks and Talons.

Personally I lean towards the Stormfangs beccause they can take a bit better of a beating, and have PotMS, giving it a bit more flexablity. The StormHawk and StormFang mount 3 weapons over the 2 on the StormTalon. The Fang and Talon both are able to hover, thus becoming skimmers if needed, this is where the Stormfangs PotMS comes in, letting you move and shoot 2 weapons at full BS, rathern than the 1 the StormTalon can shoot. The StormFang does have a transport capacity of 6, so some points are wasted there.

A StormHawk wing (2 fliers min) will run you between 250-300pts, a StormTalon wing will run you between 220-260 points, and a Stormfang wing will run you 440-510pts depending on how you arm them. I usually run my StormFangs with a Twin Lascannon and Skyhammer Missile Launcher upgrades, putting them at 235pts a piece (so 470pts for a wing). So you can fill the gaps as you can afford to both point wise and money wise, as the Hawks and Talons will cost about 2/3rds of what the Fangs will cost.

Khadorstompy wrote:

Ravingbantha wrote:

Khadorstompy wrote:

Ravingbantha wrote:
How do you want to play your army, what would you generally face, and where do you feel the biggest gap is i your army? I think the problem most people have with army building, is they try to make a one size fits all army. That doesn't really work in general play, and unless your looking to build a tournament army, should not be your real focus. Every army and every opponent you face will be different. Your play style with Imperial knights will be different then the way other people might play.

My advise is to try out a few different options. Hopefully the people at your local game shop are cool and don't mind proxies if you cannot afford different allies. Get a feel for your army, perhaps just play it as a straight army for 2 or 3 games, then see where your army needs help. Get the vibe of your local group and go from there. I am of the mind set that any army can win if you are playing to your strengths and understand the forces you are playing against.

Lots of Flyers in my area. Lots of FW. Usually I use my knights as mainly heavy artillery. I have 5 magnetized knights for any of the Standard loadouts. 2 Castigators and 1 Atrapos. Castigators can deal with blobs pretty well. And the rest can deal with heavies and other nuisances.

So it sounds like your real issues is just dealing with flyers, unless I'm mistaking. If your issue is dealing with fliers then I would suggest adding in a flyer detachment from Skies of death, this would give you several options as to which fliers you want to add in. The up side, is that not only can your fliers be used to handle other fliers, but depending on which you use, they can also help plug holes when dealing with ground forces. StormHawks and StormTalons are cheap but more on the Fragile side. I wouldn't recommend StormRavens as you are waiting points on a Transport capacity that you cannot use, however StormFangs are a bit sturdier and offer several weapon options but clock in around twice to cost of the Hawks and Talons.

Personally I lean towards the Stormfangs beccause they can take a bit better of a beating, and have PotMS, giving it a bit more flexablity. The StormHawk and StormFang mount 3 weapons over the 2 on the StormTalon. The Fang and Talon both are able to hover, thus becoming skimmers if needed, this is where the Stormfangs PotMS comes in, letting you move and shoot 2 weapons at full BS, rathern than the 1 the StormTalon can shoot. The StormFang does have a transport capacity of 6, so some points are wasted there.

A StormHawk wing (2 fliers min) will run you between 250-300pts, a StormTalon wing will run you between 220-260 points, and a Stormfang wing will run you 440-510pts depending on how you arm them. I usually run my StormFangs with a Twin Lascannon and Skyhammer Missile Launcher upgrades, putting them at 235pts a piece (so 470pts for a wing). So you can fill the gaps as you can afford to both point wise and money wise, as the Hawks and Talons will cost about 2/3rds of what the Fangs will cost.

Okay thanks for the info this helps a good bit. I do want some Anti Psyker if possible though simply because I have a few players picking up Libriarus Conclaves. Should I just take a Culexus? Assassin or Sisters of Silence? Or maybe my own conclave or Psykana division?