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				<title>[850] - Ultramarines </title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Kill team went great tonight but no one is ready to work on a 1850 point list so need to make an 850.<br /> Here is what I came up with open to suggestions I feel like I have to much heavy in here.<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(683);'>CAD</span><br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span><br /> Captain<br /> Artificer armor<br /> Power sword 125 pts<br /> <br /> Troop 1<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(167);'>Tac</span> squad (5 men)<br /> Sergeant w/combi plasma <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(119);'>SM</span> w/ plasma gun 95 pts <br /> <br /> Troop 2 <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(167);'>Tac</span> squad (5 men)<br /> Sergeant w/combi melta<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(119);'>SM</span> w/ melta gun 90 pts <br /> <br /> Fast attack 1<br /> Assault squad (5men)<br /> Flamer<br /> Sergeant w/ combat shield 80 pts <br /> <br /> Fast attack 2<br /> Razorback 55 pts<br /> (Captain and assault squad)<br /> <br /> Heavy 1<br /> Devastator squad (5men)<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(119);'>SM</span> w/ missile launcher x2<br /> Sergeant w/ combi grav <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(119);'>SM</span> w/ lascannon 130 pts <br /> <br /> Heavy 2<br /> Predator <br /> Twin linked autocannons 75pts <br /> <br /> Heavy 3 <br /> Whirlwind 65 pts<br /> <br /> Elite <br /> Dreadnaught <br /> Multimelta <br /> Powerfist with storm bolter <br /> Drop pod 135pts ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 3 Jan 2017 06:26:13]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Palladournecros]]></author>
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				<title>[850] - Ultramarines </title>
				<description><![CDATA[ I might drop the pred to free up some points.  While I like them in general, I’d not take them basic.  75 points for a non-<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span> autocannon is not a decent investment.  Alternatively, drop the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(477);'>WW</span> and spend some of those points on <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(80);'>LC</span> sponsons.<br /> <br /> Things that could use some of those points:<br /> Jump packs for the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(682);'>AM</span>, captain<br /> Another flamer for the assault squad, vet and power weapon for the sarge.<br /> Upgrade the razor’s guns, buy another one.<br /> Alternatively, boost a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(167);'>tac</span> squad to a full 10 men, rhino/pod<br /> Another <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(80);'>LC</span> in the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(29);'>dev</span> squad<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(336);'>HF</span> for dread<br /> <br /> Some other things you could cut:<br /> Combat shield on the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(682);'>AM</span> sarge.  If I have 5 points to spare, I’d get a melta bomb.  That said they look cool, and I’ve blown 5 points on looks before.<br /> C-grav on the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(29);'>dev</span> sarge.  I tried that for a while.  It’s still on my official shelf deployment for my company.  Never shot it.  Those points could be invested better elsewhere.<br /> <br /> One other thing to consider is taking the razor as a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(458);'>DT</span>, rather then loose.  If you take is as a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(458);'>DT</span> for a troop, it gains ObSec.  Which can be nice to have.  Of course, then you couldn’t start the assaults in it, one reason I’d recommend <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(457);'>JPs</span> for them]]></description>
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				<author><![CDATA[ Nevelon]]></author>
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				<title>Re:[850] - Ultramarines </title>
				<description><![CDATA[ I'm with Palla- a naked Preadator isn't going to do the work you need it to do. What to do with the extra points depends mainly on what the meta is where you play, though I'd recommend either rhinos for the tax marines, jump packs for your assault marines- unless you have jump packs, a rhino, or a drop pod for assault marines they're going to die every time before they can get where you want them to- or some sort of ranged support, Scouts maybe, though I haven't had the best luck with them,.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 3 Jan 2017 14:11:42]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Corlath]]></author>
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				<title>Re:[850] - Ultramarines </title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Didn't have the points for the razorback but had two rhinos instead <br /> <br /> 850 UM list<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(683);'>CAD</span><br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span><br /> Captain<br /> Artificer armor<br /> Power sword <br /> Jump pack 140pts<br /> <br /> Troop 1<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(167);'>Tac</span> squad (10 men)<br /> Sergeant w/combi plasma <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(119);'>SM</span> w/ plasma gun <br /> Rhino 200pts<br /> <br /> Troop 2 <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(167);'>Tac</span> squad (5 men)<br /> Sergeant w/combi melta<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(119);'>SM</span> w/ melta gun <br /> Rhino 115pts<br /> <br /> Fast attack 1<br /> Assault squad (5men)<br /> Flamer<br /> Veteran W/power sword<br /> Jump packs 115pts<br /> <br /> Heavy 1<br /> Devastator squad (5men)<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(119);'>SM</span> w/ missile launcher <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(119);'>SM</span> W/multi melta<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(119);'>SM</span> w/ lascannon x2 135pts<br /> <br /> Elite <br /> Dreadnaught <br /> Multimelta <br /> Powerfist with heavy flamer<br /> Drop pod 145 pts ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 3 Jan 2017 16:40:24]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Palladournecros]]></author>
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				<title>[850] - Ultramarines </title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Can I ask why you'd go with a 10-man <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(167);'>TAC</span> without a heavy, a 5-man <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(167);'>TAC</span>, and a devastator squad? <br /> <br /> If you went with 2x 10man <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(167);'>TAC</span> squads, you could take 2 lascannons (or meltas). Yeah you lose the missile launcher and the multi-melta, but is that such a big deal? And your lascannons/meltas would be protected. <br /> <br /> In the end it would save a few points and you'd have 2 stronger <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(167);'>TAC</span> squads. <br /> <br /> The multi-melta in a devastator squad seems questionable to me, since the range of your missiles and lascannons are all twice as long. Will you really move that squad within 24" of anything requiring a melta?]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 3 Jan 2017 17:06:59]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Marmatag]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(683);'>CAD</span><br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span><br /> Captain<br /> Artificer armor<br /> Power sword <br /> Jump pack 140pts<br /> <br /> Troop 1<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(167);'>Tac</span> squad (10 men)<br /> Sergeant w/combi plasma <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(119);'>SM</span> w/ plasma gun <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(119);'>SM</span> w/ lascannon <br /> Rhino <br /> X2 storm bolters 225pts<br /> <br /> Troop 2 <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(167);'>Tac</span> squad (10men<br /> Sergeant w/combi melta<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(119);'>SM</span> w/ melta gun <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(119);'>SM</span> w lascannon<br /> Rhino<br /> X2 storm bolters 220pts<br /> <br /> Fast attack 1<br /> Assault squad (5men)<br /> Flamer x2<br /> Veteran W/power sword<br /> Jump packs 120pts<br /> <br /> Elite <br /> Dreadnaught <br /> Multimelta <br /> Powerfist with heavy flamer<br /> Drop pod 145 pts <br /> <br /> Like that then?]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 3 Jan 2017 17:29:11]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Palladournecros]]></author>
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				<title>[850] - Ultramarines </title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Unless you are pulling some relentless/S&P tricks for your <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(29);'>dev</span> squads, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(330);'>MM</span> are much better off in <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(167);'>tac</span> squads.  You want all the guns in your <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(29);'>dev</span> squad to work together.  Same basic range, same general target selection.  So you don’t want to mix <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(330);'>MMs</span> and <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(80);'>LCs</span> (they want to shoot at the same thing, but at different ranges) and <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(51);'>HBs</span> and <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(80);'>LCs</span> (Same-ish range, never want to shoot the same thing.)<br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 3 Jan 2017 17:33:08]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Nevelon]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ So dropping the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(29);'>dev</span> squad for bigger <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(167);'>tac</span> squads and taking las cannons in them a better choice at this point value?]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 3 Jan 2017 18:03:49]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Palladournecros]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I’d go full melta on one, but other then that I like it!]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 3 Jan 2017 18:27:29]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Nevelon]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ That leave me with 10 points to mess with excellent]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 3 Jan 2017 18:42:01]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Palladournecros]]></author>
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