<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "What happened to Loyalist elements?"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/31.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net What happened to Loyalist elements?
And it's pretty straight forward. We know from the Horus Heresy series that not insubstantial elements of the Traitor Legions remained loyal - either surviving/escaping Istvaan, or being garrison forces that never really got caught up in their brother's madness.

Now there was never enough to be repackaged into Legions - but post Second Founding, it's entirely possible they had numbers to be formed into chapters of their own.

But is their evidence, implied or implicit that such a thing happened? If memory serves, the Imperium has, at least once, dipped into non-Loyalist gene seed to help bolster numbers (and I think that might've been Guilliman ordering it?)

Remember, I'm not looking for outright fan theories - but ones built upon referenced, canonical background.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/718580/9211849.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/718580/9211849.page GMT What happened to Loyalist elements? we haven't gotten to that point yet.

I think it's been mentioned that quite a few became part of Garro's whole schtick though.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/718580/9211916.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/718580/9211916.page GMT What happened to Loyalist elements? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/718580/9211958.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/718580/9211958.page GMT What happened to Loyalist elements? IWs who hadn't even heard of their Legion's duplicity ended up fight the Alpha Legion. Barabas Dantioch was another Loyalist Iron Warrior.

There's also Arvida of the Thousand Sons, who joins (but leaves?) the White Scars.

There's a whole host of other individuals - Knights Errant etc.

As for chapters...
Blood Ravens - Thousand Sons
Iron Snakes - Alpha Legion (Extremely tenuous)
Silver Skulls - Iron Warriors
Minotaurs - Iron Warriors
Sons of Antaeus - Death Guard
Doom Eagles - Emperor's Children
Red Scorpions - Emperor's Children

I think Carcharadons were recently confirmed as descended from a Raven Guard Terran nomad predator fleet, rather than World Eaters or Night Lords.

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/718580/9214649.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/718580/9214649.page GMT What happened to Loyalist elements?
Silver Skulls I should be able to dig into, as I know the author!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/718580/9214688.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/718580/9214688.page GMT What happened to Loyalist elements?
 ChazSexington wrote:


I think Carcharadons were recently confirmed as descended from a Raven Guard Terran nomad predator fleet, rather than World Eaters or Night Lords.



Nah, its more they heavily hinted at it. But not its also hinted that they are descended from all three, or at least the RG and the NL.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/718580/9215069.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/718580/9215069.page GMT What happened to Loyalist elements?
 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
 ChazSexington wrote:


I think Carcharadons were recently confirmed as descended from a Raven Guard Terran nomad predator fleet, rather than World Eaters or Night Lords.



Nah, its more they heavily hinted at it. But not its also hinted that they are descended from all three, or at least the RG and the NL.



The recent Carcharadons novel Red Harvest seems to confirm that they were a RG successor

Spoiler:
exiled or ordered in to the void because he disapproved of the tactics employed by the Terran elements of the RG before they found him
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/718580/9215492.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/718580/9215492.page GMT What happened to Loyalist elements?
The implication that it was because Corax disapproved of their methods came from the FW Horus Heresy.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/718580/9215596.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/718580/9215596.page GMT What happened to Loyalist elements?
 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
There were also some implications in the same novel that they were from the Night Lords, and their extreme aggression and rage hinted at World Eaters.

The implication that it was because Corax disapproved of their methods came from the FW Horus Heresy.


I'l have to re-read it again then (incidentally I should have said Red Tithe not Red Harvest). ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/718580/9215684.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/718580/9215684.page GMT What happened to Loyalist elements?
Magister wrote:
 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
There were also some implications in the same novel that they were from the Night Lords, and their extreme aggression and rage hinted at World Eaters.

The implication that it was because Corax disapproved of their methods came from the FW Horus Heresy.


I'l have to re-read it again then (incidentally I should have said Red Tithe not Red Harvest).


Its a good choice to reread anyway. Also the author purposefully is continuing to keep their origins in the dark.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/718580/9215691.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/718580/9215691.page GMT What happened to Loyalist elements? FW books points out that, theretically, it's possible that some loyalist elements of traitor legions survived the heresy and went on to become Space Marine chapters afterwards. However, even if that happened, they would have expunged all records of their primarch because no self-respecting space marine chapter would want the stain on their honor of being associated with a traitor primarch (also shown by how loyalist elements during the heresy disowned their traitor fathers and removed their legion livery in many cases)

He brings up the Doom Eagles as an example, where the Emperor's Children had a unit known as the Doom Eagles who remained loyal, and may have possibly survived the heresy, went on to become the Doom Eagles space marine chapter, and expunged their relation to Fulgrim from the records. However, he admits this is speculation and in the end, there's no way to prove it (obviously, what with the records being expunged and all).

It's implied or indicated in several places that the Adeptus Mechanicus is capable of finding similarities in gene seed to try to track down a chapter's original primarch, but their methods can never be 100% conclusive.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/718580/9216306.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/718580/9216306.page GMT What happened to Loyalist elements? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/718580/9223144.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/718580/9223144.page GMT