<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "Black Guardians. Better as Ynnari or in an Ulthwe Strike Force?"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/69.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Black Guardians. Better as Ynnari or in an Ulthwe Strike Force?
Spoiler:
Just as a refresher, Black Guardians as Eldar Guardians, WIndrider, War Walkers and Vypers that are Elite choices that can Deep Strike without Scatter as long as they remain outside 9" of enemies.
They can be taken as Elites in an Eldar detachment, Reborn Host, or USF
If taken as Ynnari, the lose BF & Ancient Doom in favor of SfD
If taken in an USF, they gain Preferred Enemy if any kind of Chaos is in the enemy army and may roll to enter from Deep Strike on turn 1

You cannot take a USF in a Reborn Host. I know we shouldn't normally go into this much detail about the rules, but there has been some confusion about BGs since the book dropped, so I felt we all need to be on the same page.

I am preparing for a tourney in a month and have the points for 4 Vypers and 2 units of BG WIndriders.
My list also has a WK, 4 Troop Scatterbikes, some single Khymera, WWP D-scythe WG, Autarch and 2 BikeSeers. But I am not really trying to discuss the list, I only reference it for my needs

At the present, I am will be putting the Vypers as the USF, and I'm leaning towards taking the BG bikes as Elites in the Reborn host. Since vehicles do not benefit from SfD, this makes sense and they can provide easy Soulbursts if I need them. Vypers are also enough of a threat that they cannot be ignored.
Having the bikes as Ynnari means that when they come in, they can do so near each other and near any surviving Vypers to and gain some Soulbursting
But if I put them in the USF (and combine my 4 Vypers into units of 2) then they might come in on Turn 1

I am not really sure which is better.

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]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/719486/9228164.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/719486/9228164.page GMT Black Guardians. Better as Ynnari or in an Ulthwe Strike Force? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/719486/9232510.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/719486/9232510.page GMT Black Guardians. Better as Ynnari or in an Ulthwe Strike Force? I think I've come to the same conclusion. Coming in turn 2 with jetbikes really isn't much of an advantage even with the no-scatter Deep Strike. They are fast enough to get decent angles and range. The turn 1 Deep Strike really is best.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/719486/9232705.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/719486/9232705.page GMT