Trueknight803 wrote:
The main tactic/strategy that I think needs to be applied is to cause wounds to a unit but don't destroy it entirely. Whittle down multiple units so that when you finally kill a unit off the soulburst action is mitigated. Alternate targets before finishing 1 off.

Also, if you don't finish the unit off, you'll force morale checks and hope to get lucky there lol

Jbz` wrote:

Trueknight803 wrote:
The main tactic/strategy that I think needs to be applied is to cause wounds to a unit but don't destroy it entirely. Whittle down multiple units so that when you finally kill a unit off the soulburst action is mitigated. Alternate targets before finishing 1 off.

Also, if you don't finish the unit off, you'll force morale checks and hope to get lucky there lol

In addition to this, once you're in a position to kill multiple of the Ynnari units make sure to kill the ones that HAVEN'T soulburst yet, as it's a once per turn (at most) ability

 Amishprn86 wrote:
First: What it is strong against?
MSU spam, if you are MSU it will destroy you.

What is it weak against?
Durable units, AV13+ Vehicles, DeathStars, Fliers, and 48'+ range weapons

Necrons and KDK are actually good against them, High AV vehicles and units that dont die in from 1-2 units shooting them.

I would think Flier Nids, Necrons, Chaos Rens with Artillery spam (60" range stuff)

DA is honestly a hard counter.
DA 3+ re-rolling jinks Black Knights with a St. Celestine to tak the wounds will hurt them really badly.

Edit: SW are a nice counter too, t5 3++ with FnP CC units that can Multi-charge easily.

Caedes wrote:
As said, don't go MSU. That will trigger bursts. Also the army wants to be up close and personal. Keep in mind the dead unit has to die within 7" to trigger a burst. Keep them 7" away from your guys, and that helps. A few other things:

No real counter to deepstrikers. For space marines, drop pods! Drop in, unload at something. Target priority is key. Try to take out fringe units then work in to center. That way you limit what can burst. And a unit can't burst if it's dead. And eldar in general do NOT like being shot at. Prioritize units with psykers, then scat bikes and whatever. and don't get into combat with a ynarri death star. (Especially if led by visarch yrvaine or both) Not much holds them off. (Aside from th/ss termies) instead, kite the Death Star around and plink it to death.

Skyhammer would do well. Drop in, nuke a few key units, tie them up... should work well. Eldar are glass cannons and do not do well in a slugfest. - an arena space marines do well at.

Caedes wrote:
An allied riptide wing is close to 500 pts or more. That's a solid chunk of army, that does not count towards the reborn warhost. And nothing says drop pods have to come in super close. Drop down at max range for your grav devs, disembark into cover, and that will limit the damage. Then grav should seriously mess up the riptides day. The assault squads can charge key ynari units (cause they can't soulburst if locked in combat) and tau can't overwatch if ynari units are charged. Fighting ynari is all about killing the critical unit first, and systematically removing key parts in ideal order. I play ynarri - and I love when guys dump shooting into my wraithblades cause I know they can tank it. But take out my jetbikes, venom etc and my army loses a lot of its oomph.

pilchard8 wrote:
Ive just played my first game with ynari and i allied in a riptide wing against my friends white scars with lots of grav and melta. He conceded turn 2, i wasnt even running an optimised list, i had wraithlords, no knight, no ycarne.. Performed really well, killed most of his bikes in his turn and it helps when your opponent doesnt know fully how to play against them. Im really reluctant at the moment to buy anything else for it until 8th drops as it all might change.

 ILegion wrote:


Also, my CM went into a challenge with the visarch with 1 wound on my CM already. He survived the challenge and managed to drop the Visarch down to 1 wound. CM had arty armor and relic blade. I figured the Visarch would be a lot better at CC than he is considering DA aren't all that good at it. Who knew.

 Fueli wrote:
If you plan to intercept WWP guy and retinue be sure to spread your interceptors around. If he puts something like Archon in front of the unit and it dies to interceptor fire the unit whatever it was that deep struck gets to soulburst. That means wraithguard essentially shoot twice no matter what. Spreading out allows you to intercept from multiple angles to lessen the incoming damage.

 asdrubeal vect124 wrote:

 ILegion wrote:


Also, my CM went into a challenge with the visarch with 1 wound on my CM already. He survived the challenge and managed to drop the Visarch down to 1 wound. CM had arty armor and relic blade. I figured the Visarch would be a lot better at CC than he is considering DA aren't all that good at it. Who knew.

in all fairness your CM shouldn't have survived the CC with the Visarch. unless you rolled well with your Invul

 Galef wrote:

 Fueli wrote:
If you plan to intercept WWP guy and retinue be sure to spread your interceptors around. If he puts something like Archon in front of the unit and it dies to interceptor fire the unit whatever it was that deep struck gets to soulburst. That means wraithguard essentially shoot twice no matter what. Spreading out allows you to intercept from multiple angles to lessen the incoming damage.

Actually, they only get to shoot once, and only if the intercept that killed the Archon doesn't kill them too

For Example, WWP Archon with WG drop in to flame a Riptide. At least 2 Riptides can see the unit. The first RT intercepts and kills the Archon + some WG. Since you must fully resolve that intercept, the WG that die will not get to Soulburst ...because they're dead. But the remaining WG (if there are any) will still get to Soulburst once. Then the other Riptide intercepts and kills the rest. No shooting twice for them.

And as a Ynnari player, I can tell you that if I am forced to put the Archon in front to use his 2++, I will not be getting half as many templates on my intended target since I cannot place a template if it touches my own models. Ideally, I want the Archon in the center so that I can 4 templates at my target; being up front will mean only 2.
So in a way, that mitigates that. Although I would prefer Wraithcannons against Riptides, the D-scythe is the most likely weapon you will see with this tactic

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 Galef wrote:

 Fueli wrote:
If you plan to intercept WWP guy and retinue be sure to spread your interceptors around. If he puts something like Archon in front of the unit and it dies to interceptor fire the unit whatever it was that deep struck gets to soulburst. That means wraithguard essentially shoot twice no matter what. Spreading out allows you to intercept from multiple angles to lessen the incoming damage.

Actually, they only get to shoot once, and only if the intercept that killed the Archon doesn't kill them too

For Example, WWP Archon with WG drop in to flame a Riptide. At least 2 Riptides can see the unit. The first RT intercepts and kills the Archon + some WG. Since you must fully resolve that intercept, the WG that die will not get to Soulburst ...because they're dead. But the remaining WG (if there are any) will still get to Soulburst once. Then the other Riptide intercepts and kills the rest. No shooting twice for them.

And as a Ynnari player, I can tell you that if I am forced to put the Archon in front to use his 2++, I will not be getting half as many templates on my intended target since I cannot place a template if it touches my own models. Ideally, I want the Archon in the center so that I can 4 templates at my target; being up front will mean only 2.
So in a way, that mitigates that. Although I would prefer Wraithcannons against Riptides, the D-scythe is the most likely weapon you will see with this tactic

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