Amishprn86 wrote:
One 40k problem is Mass S6 and S7. Vehicles are glanced down really quickly.

We dont want to give to strong of a universal save b.c it would make weaker vehicles to strong and stronger vehicles unkillable, it is hard to balanced.

Rule
All "Glances" have a 4+ chance to not take a Hull Point

This would give S6 a small hit, give S7-10 better results and Wouldnt buff cheap vehicles to much at all.


Just an Idea, what do you think?

 Blackie wrote:

 Amishprn86 wrote:

One 40k problem is Mass S6 and S7.

If the problem is a huge amount of S6-7 shots just reduce those numbers by increasing the cost of the units that spam mid strenght shots.

The glancing mechanic is ok IMHO, what is not ok is the presence of units that can spam too many shots because their cost is not appropriate and you can field too many of them. The main problem with the 7th edition is in fact that this is a shooty oriented edition. Some nasty gimmicks and formations came out later but since 7th edition was released warhammer 40k turned into a game that is basically oriented into spamming MSU or mid strenght shots. That's the issue, I don't think making vehicles more resilient can solve anything.

Just make scatter bikes fast attack units with S5 assault 3 like orks bikers, make grav completely ineffective against vehicles like poisoned shots, and fix all the other units that contribute to the problem.

 Galef wrote:

 chrispy1991 wrote:

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 Galef wrote:
An easier fix for Glances to not always cause lost HPs would be to roll on the damage table instead.
Maybe change the damage table to something like this:

1 - no damage caused (other than a lost HP if it was a Penetrating hit)
2-3 Shaken
4 Stunned
5 Weapon Destroyed (also loses 1 HP)
6 Immobilized (also loses 1 HP)
7 Explodes (Glances count this result as only losing 1 HP instead)

This way, a Pen always causes an HP and a roll on the table (possibly resulting in another lost HP), while Glances only do HPs if a 5-7 is rolled
Return AP1 to being the only AP to add +1 (so AP2 no longer adds any bonus) and now it will be harder to strip HPs and players are much more encouraged to take higher strength weapons to get Pens

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So on a glance.. my leman russ would have a 50% chance of not only losing a hull point, but some other disastrous effect, and if they don't lose a hull point, they'll probably be snap firing and/or not moving next turn. No thanks? I'd rather just take the 1 HP loss from a glance than deal with any of the nonsense from the table.

Here's a better idea, to perhaps differentiate between heavy tanks and transports, and keep transports from getting out of hand again. Add an additional piece to the already existing "heavy" vehicle rule that states that glancing hits are flat out ignored, due to these vehicles' thick layers of armor.

Actually it would be a 33% chance to take an HP unless the weapon is AP1, with a 16% chance that NOTHING HAPPENS AT ALL.
And last I checked, most AP1 weapon are taken in an amount that just kills that tank anyway (i.e. units with multiple Meltas), so bumping it to a 50% is negligible.

And if Snap-fires are BS modifiers in 8th (so blasts will still work, just with a higher Scatter) I think the Leman Russ will be fine.
Besides, LR tanks can only be glanced to death by Necrons anyway. No other army can strip AV13 with glances en mass.

My biggest issue with Glances is that they should not strip HPs at all. It would be better if the first Glance per phase was ignored the second cause Shaken and the third caused Stunned, however that would make Necrons horrible against tank heavy armies (which is very contrary to their fluff)

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