<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "Traitor legions as Allied detachments to each other"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/16.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Traitor legions as Allied detachments to each other CSM Cad of formation. For example one of the new black legion formations with an AD of night lords. Because both are drawn from the same faction they cannot ally together but it seems they should be able to.

Is this open to obscene abuse? The only thing he'd gain I imagine is obsec for the AD as opposed to unbound or paying the additional troop tax to make it a cad. What are your thoughts on this?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/723329/9304825.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/723329/9304825.page GMT Re:Traitor legions as Allied detachments to each other http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/723329/9304838.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/723329/9304838.page GMT Traitor legions as Allied detachments to each other YMDC.

Basically if the Factions are the same, you cannot take an Allied Detachment with the same as your Primary Detachment. Codex Marines allow for this by their Chapter Traits special rule which supersedes this restriction. Do the Traitor Legion rules specifically allow for this?

I believe the Traitor Legions book provides for smaller detachments which could be used in lieu of an Allied Detachment. This may be a better route. Alternatively, look at having a Primary Detachment of Daemons or similar to account for it.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/723329/9305319.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/723329/9305319.page GMT Traitor legions as Allied detachments to each other imho. That said, our decurions and formations are relatively flexible, he might not even need to make an allied detachment if he puts some thought into the list.
As long as they are different Legions, it's really not that different from loyalist chapters allying in the lore. I wouldn't have a problem with my opponent taking an AD, assuming he's not going out of his way to abuse this. Then I'd have them take a daemon CAD or so as their primary and then they can legally abuse legion allied detachments. Although I don't think there is a whole lot of abuse to be had. It's still CSM.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/723329/9305400.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/723329/9305400.page GMT Traitor legions as Allied detachments to each other
 Roknar wrote:
As you already said, they can't, but it's a pretty minor change imho. That said, our decurions and formations are relatively flexible, he might not even need to make an allied detachment if he puts some thought into the list.
As long as they are different Legions, it's really not that different from loyalist chapters allying in the lore. I wouldn't have a problem with my opponent taking an AD, assuming he's not going out of his way to abuse this. Then I'd have them take a daemon CAD or so as their primary and then they can legally abuse legion allied detachments. Although I don't think there is a whole lot of abuse to be had. It's still CSM.

Lore is not the rules, though. Codex Marines specifically have a rule addressing this case. This has come up in YMDC several times, but I don't recall the Traitor Legion rules specifically stating this like in Chapter Tactics. In fact, every time I asked about this, the question was deflected and never addressed.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/723329/9305442.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/723329/9305442.page GMT Traitor legions as Allied detachments to each other OP wants to know if this would be too much, not whether or not RAW allows it.
Considering that's it's already possible with a minor points investment (daemons CAD or whatever), I really don't think it would hurt to allow straight up allied detachments between legions. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/723329/9306072.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/723329/9306072.page GMT Re:Traitor legions as Allied detachments to each other CAD is legal. Alternatively if you're not limited to the number of CADs, as you are in tournament play; you could always take take your primary CAD and then take a few formations as secondary CADs. For example field a Black legion Spear tip CAD, then grab a Iron Warriors Cult of destruction formation as a secondary; you may not get all the boons of the Iron Warriors Grand Company, but your obliterators and mutilators still get the siege master rule for being Iron Warriors.

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 Roknar wrote:
So? The lore not being reflected well in the rules is half the reason this sub forum exists. OP wants to know if this would be too much, not whether or not RAW allows it.
Considering that's it's already possible with a minor points investment (daemons CAD or whatever), I really don't think it would hurt to allow straight up allied detachments between legions.

True if we're looking to set up a rule change. The original post did not come across as such.

Would it open to abuse, to go by the last question? Maybe, but so much depends on how much the Chaos Marine codex gets changed and updated for it.

Honestly, I am really surprised that Legion "Traits" did not have the same caveat as Chapter Tactics. It is a moronic view for not including it.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/723329/9306107.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/723329/9306107.page GMT Traitor legions as Allied detachments to each other
These new rules for traitor legions do make CSM a lot more fun to play and play against!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/723329/9316844.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/723329/9316844.page GMT