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				<description><![CDATA[ <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-40061550" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.bbc.co.<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(134);'>uk</span>/news/world-middle-east-40061550</a><br /> <blockquote class="uncited"><div><span style="font-size: 18px; line-height: normal;">Inside Saudi Arabia's rehab centre for jihadists </span><br /> <br /> The Saudi authorities are keen to show the world this rehab centre for jihadists, known officially as the Prince Mohammed Bin Nayef Centre for Counselling and Care.<br /> Founded in 2004, following a series of devastating al-Qaeda attacks in Saudi Arabia, it is intended to be a halfway house between prison and open society.<br /> Most of its inmates are Saudis, convicted under anti-terrorist laws. It prepares ex-convicts for life on the outside and tries to purge them of any violent ideas.<br /> <br /> So does it work? Mostly.<br /> <br /> There is certainly no other such rehab centre anywhere in the world that is attempting this kind of psychological detoxification on such a large scale.<br /> More than 3,300 inmates have "graduated" from the centre since 2005, according to the staff, including 123 who have been in Guantanamo Bay. The success rate, they said, is 80% with the remaining 20% returning to violence. (A similar scheme I visited in Yemen in 2003 had a significantly lower success rate).<br /> Inmates spend a minimum of three months at the centre before being assessed to see if they ready for release, Their overall programme is divided into three parts:<br /> A counselling phase, which takes place while they are still in prison and before they arrive at the centre<br /> Rehabilitation ("ta'heel" in Arabic) comprising cognitive behaviour programmes, art, culture, religious and sports activities<br /> After care. This continues after their release into society<br /> <br /> "Welcome to the oasis of wisdom," said Dr Hamid Al-Shayri, a sociologist from King Saud University. "This is where we try to steer them away from their deviant path so they no longer present a danger to society."<br /> He said his staff sit with the inmates for several hours a day, but added: "It's not an easy task to get people to stop hating society and their families."<br /> <br /> <br /> Art therapy plays a big role in their rehabilitation, according to their art teacher, Dr Badr Al-Razin. He told me that when they first arrive, many of the ex-convicts want to paint crude, violent images, often in red, but over time their images soften and become gentler.<br /> Religious scholars are on hand at all times, men with a profound knowledge of Islam, who try to use this to explain why the aims and actions of violent jihadists are "haram" (forbidden).<br /> So how, we asked the Yemeni returnees from Guantanamo Bay, do they feel about re-entering society after all this time?<br /> "We have changed," said the oldest one. "We consider ourselves as new individuals now, thanks to this place.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> This was quite an interesting read for me today while I was slogging through my Saturday work shift, perhaps worth the risk of this thread getting politoxic.<br /> <br /> I'm personally surprised that this facility is so unique, and that it's in Saudi Arabia too. Would've thought it's neighbours would have them too, but I've never heard of these.<br /> <br /> Thoughts?<br /> <br /> <font color='orange'>I'm going to save the Mods the effort too - the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(134);'>UK</span>/US politics discussions are still banned, and Rule #1 isn't optional. Post accordingly </font><br /> <br /> G.A]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ If it works it works. <br /> <br /> Probbly rare as few have the capacity to make this work. <br /> I mean Saudi, is symbolic, this is the capital of Islam, there experts in it will be hard to match. <br /> <br /> There strength seems to be they have managed to explain why extremists wrong, the core belief that made them what they are they are trying yo change. <br /> <br /> I honestly doubt if the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(134);'>UK</span>, or US would be quite as skilled or able. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Ignoring the Saudi propensity to greatly exaggerate the success of their programs, this is an interesting case that demonstrates once again that treatment and rehabilitation do wonders for crime reduction compared to punitive laws. I honestly never thought it would apply to religious extremism as well, quite astonishing. <br /> <br /> Similar centres in the West might not meet anything like the same success because it will be seen as the tool or propaganda of a decadent western ideology. Nor, I imagine, would the general population of these countries feel any inclination to have such individuals rehabilitated into their society.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <br /> <br /> <br /> Considering that rich Saudis, including some within the government, are major sponsors of international terrorism, I have some serious doubts about this "program".<br /> <br /> <br /> It all smells of a PR and international political move to me. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/c6e08f4a45b3dc453be2661e95dfaaa2.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/726797/9388595.page"><b>Humble Guardsman wrote:</b></a><br/>Ignoring the Saudi propensity to greatly exaggerate the success of their programs, this is an interesting case that demonstrates once again that treatment and rehabilitation do wonders for crime reduction compared to punitive laws. I honestly never thought it would apply to religious extremism as well, quite astonishing. <br /> <br /> Similar centres in the West might not meet anything like the same success because it will be seen as the tool or propaganda of a decadent western ideology. Nor, I imagine, would the general population of these countries feel any inclination to have such individuals rehabilitated into their society.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> True. The west treats being a Islamist as a forever tainted thing.  <br /> Also yes that comes down to it.. No one wants to try. <br /> <br /> Yes, Saudi Arabia for good or ill is Islam, it carries the weight of top 2 holy sites in religion, with 3rd located in Israel. That must help as any program to the programmed, would be, think its propaganda, tricks etc and not engage or pretend to and remain a danger if not located in such a religiously symbolic location. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>oldravenman3025 wrote:</cite>Considering that rich Saudis, including some within the government, are major sponsors of international terrorism, I have some serious doubts about this "program".<br /> <br /> It all smells of a PR and international political move to me. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> This is what I thought at first, given how "uniquely successful" this facility is supposedly. Speaking from personal experience, however, it is likely that this isn't a pure PR move, and has either been done as part of Saudi's security programme, or to demonstrate that it is possible; Arab royal families are well known for having massive political divides, at least from what I've seen living with and talking to rich Qataris and Emirates.<br /> <br /> I looked up the guy who the facility is named after - Prince Mohammed Bin Nayef. Apparently he has been widely credited for the success of Saudi's counter terrorist programme, and is one of the few members of the royal family who actively talks to the media. He did replace the minister of interior with someone who had a questionable human rights record, but this seems to have been a move to put the foot down on corruption. With that in mind, the idea of this facility seems quite sound to me.<br /> <br /> <blockquote><div><cite>Humble Guardsman wrote:</cite>Ignoring the Saudi propensity to greatly exaggerate the success of their programs, this is an interesting case that demonstrates once again that treatment and rehabilitation do wonders for crime reduction compared to punitive laws. I honestly never thought it would apply to religious extremism as well, quite astonishing. <br /> <br /> Similar centres in the West might not meet anything like the same success because it will be seen as the tool or propaganda of a decadent western ideology. Nor, I imagine, would the general population of these countries feel any inclination to have such individuals rehabilitated into their society.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> That's very possible. However, given how many Muslims now live abroad, they might be able to staff such facilities to reduce that possible rejection. I could see it working here and in other places in the West, although perhaps it might be best to keep these places within the Middle East. Mind you, pretty much all the countries that could theoretically have such a facility are either Western influenced or have Western allies (like Saudi) - I guess only time will tell.<br /> <br /> I wouldn't personally mind rehabilitated individuals in <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(134);'>UK</span> society if the system works. Seems like we have plenty of real, dangerous jihadists lurking around anyway...]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I think a western application would not be targeted at jihadists (there aren't enough of them among local populations to justify such a program), but instead used for perpetrators of more common serious crimes such as murder. Its particularly interesting to me that they find the art to mirror psychology so we'll.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/90f12b2ac611d905c7a0947bb2b7b1bd.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/726797/9389192.page"><b>NinthMusketeer wrote:</b></a><br/>I think a western application would not be targeted at jihadists (there aren't enough of them among local populations to justify such a program), but instead used for perpetrators of more common serious crimes such as murder. Its particularly interesting to me that they find the art to mirror psychology so we'll.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Yeah.. I believe it the same with refugee kids and thr art they make. <br /> You see there mental state, warfare in the art. <br /> <br /> Art seems to carry more meaning than <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(378);'>wr</span> think. <br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Saudi arabia is the ISIS legalized. If a former terrorist's rehabilization means that he/she becomes like a saudi citizen it only means that he/she doesn't blow up in a crowded place. But he/she will keep the same radical view of living that she/he had before, as saudi arabia is a country governed by sharia laws and an extremely intolerant one. <br /> <br /> We don't perceive it as an enemy or a threat because western countries are partners in business with saudi arabia, as the latest trump's journey confirmed. <br /> <br /> There's no rehab for these scumbags. They can't ever be part of the civilized world. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Have you been there recently?<br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/b0ccb7f13e64f91aa51c41beb02ca643.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/726797/9389227.page"><b>Blackie wrote:</b></a><br/>Saudi arabia is the ISIS legalized. If a former terrorist's rehabilization means that he/she becomes like a saudi citizen it only means that he/she doesn't blow up in a crowded place. But he/she will keep the same radical view of living that she/he had before, as saudi arabia is a country governed by sharia laws and an extremely intolerant one. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I don't think this is strictly true. Saudi is harsh and questionable in terms of human rights, but I could say that about Dubai and Qatar, both places I've lived in for a substantial amount of time, and both of which are highly secure.<br /> <br /> <blockquote class="uncited"><div>There's no rehab for these scumbags. They can't ever be part of the civilized world. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> This is a bit harsh. A lot of these people were probably misguided by others who were either more intelligent than them or very manipulative in their teachings. Some of them may not deserve it, yes, but I'm all for people being reintroduced to society after this therapy, if it does indeed work.<br /> <br /> <blockquote><div><a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/726797/9389517.page"><b>Bran Dawri wrote:</b></a><br/>Have you been there recently?</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Me? No, but it was the country next door to me for quite some time.<br /> <br /> I also spoke to one of my Pakistani/Canadian friends about it; he told me Pakistan has a few of these places dotted about, but they're nowhere near as successful, as released inmates often just get pulled back by one of the many terrorist groups operating in the mountainsides.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ It's not very Christian to state there is no rehabilitation possible.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/2dd28c6593f1200f591cf5cfaaed344a.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/726797/9389882.page"><b>Kilkrazy wrote:</b></a><br/>It's not very Christian to state there is no rehabilitation possible.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> With thr likes of jihadi john, some of the foreign fighters and beheaders, no. <br /> There was no fate for some of them bar vaporised by drone strikes. <br /> <br /> Now the kids and younger lower ranks, the ones conscripted and decived, yes there is room for those to be rehabilitated. Not a absolute answer. Somecan, some are too far gone and criminals against humanity, irredeemable. <br /> The higher ranking members and ones who killed kids and such, no going back after that. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>General Annoyance wrote:</cite>...Dubai and Qatar, both places I've lived in for a substantial amount of time...</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> My fellow male of African-American descent.  <img src="/s/i/a/3280d57d913d8178fb42a55db16d1e89.gif" border="0"> <br /> <br /> <blockquote><div><cite>jhe90 wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/2dd28c6593f1200f591cf5cfaaed344a.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/726797/9389882.page"><b>Kilkrazy wrote:</b></a><br/>It's not very Christian to state there is no rehabilitation possible.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> With thr likes of jihadi john, some of the foreign fighters and beheaders, no. <br /> There was no fate for some of them bar vaporised by drone strikes. <br /> <br /> Now the kids and younger lower ranks, the ones conscripted and decived, yes there is room for those to be rehabilitated. Not a absolute answer. Somecan, some are too far gone and criminals against humanity, irredeemable. <br /> The higher ranking members and ones who killed kids and such, no going back after that. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I'd not argue for rehabilitation when it comes to the death of children, but I think you're missing the point here. If anything try to view this sort of rehabilitation as the same kind that they try to put African ex-child soldiers through (even the ones that are now adults). <br /> <br /> On the plus side, I doubt we will have to worry about rehabilitating suicide bombers.<br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/dcb044837befb5ee4d85c0459c153f03.jpeg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/726797/9388435.page"><b>General Annoyance wrote:</b></a><br/>I'm personally surprised that this facility is so unique, and that it's in Saudi Arabia too.</div></blockquote><br /> Don't think it's that unique. I mean, <br /> <a href="https://www.ctc.usma.edu/posts/indonesia%e2%80%99s-approach-to-jihadist-deradicalization" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://www.ctc.usma.edu/posts/indonesia%e2%80%99s-approach-to-jihadist-deradicalization</a><br /> <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/09/terrorism-do-deradicalisation-camps-work" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/09/terrorism-do-deradicalisation-camps-work</a><br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/c6e08f4a45b3dc453be2661e95dfaaa2.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/726797/9390218.page"><b>Humble Guardsman wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><cite>General Annoyance wrote:</cite>...Dubai and Qatar, both places I've lived in for a substantial amount of time...</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> My fellow male of African-American descent.  <img src="/s/i/a/3280d57d913d8178fb42a55db16d1e89.gif" border="0"> </div></blockquote><br />  <img src="/s/i/a/8f7b3f87df347f2cf6c1e7d5e119a067.gif" border="0"> <br /> Dubai and Qatar are neither African nor American…]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/c6e08f4a45b3dc453be2661e95dfaaa2.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/726797/9390218.page"><b>Humble Guardsman wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><cite>General Annoyance wrote:</cite>...Dubai and Qatar, both places I've lived in for a substantial amount of time...</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> My fellow male of African-American descent.  <img src="/s/i/a/3280d57d913d8178fb42a55db16d1e89.gif" border="0"> <br /> <br /> <blockquote><div><cite>jhe90 wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/2dd28c6593f1200f591cf5cfaaed344a.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/726797/9389882.page"><b>Kilkrazy wrote:</b></a><br/>It's not very Christian to state there is no rehabilitation possible.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> With thr likes of jihadi john, some of the foreign fighters and beheaders, no. <br /> There was no fate for some of them bar vaporised by drone strikes. <br /> <br /> Now the kids and younger lower ranks, the ones conscripted and decived, yes there is room for those to be rehabilitated. Not a absolute answer. Somecan, some are too far gone and criminals against humanity, irredeemable. <br /> The higher ranking members and ones who killed kids and such, no going back after that. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I'd not argue for rehabilitation when it comes to the death of children, but I think you're missing the point here. If anything try to view this sort of rehabilitation as the same kind that they try to put African ex-child soldiers through (even the ones that are now adults). <br /> <br /> On the plus side, I doubt we will have to worry about rehabilitating suicide bombers.<br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> True. Helping the former conscript local soldiers who where forced to fight for them. I doubt that many of those joined entirely of own free will.  I can see maybe working. <br /> <br /> I feel less likely that the more western fighters who joined willingly are as deserving of help. They had a choice, others did not. Also maybe more hardline than the conscript regulars. <br /> Also propoganda figures, if you did stuff on video ... Help the others first. <br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Wow some pretty crazy assumptions thrown around. All Saudis are "scumbags"? I'm out when things get to blatant racism.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/90f12b2ac611d905c7a0947bb2b7b1bd.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/726797/9390244.page"><b>NinthMusketeer wrote:</b></a><br/>Wow some pretty crazy assumptions thrown around. All Saudis are "scumbags"? I'm out when things get to blatant racism.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Nope. Most saudis actually live under an incredibly oppresive regime. A regime which has been the main financer behind islamist terrorism for decades. And which had in Saddam's Iraq one of their main oil exporter competitors in the region.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:</cite><br /> <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/c6e08f4a45b3dc453be2661e95dfaaa2.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/726797/9390218.page"><b>Humble Guardsman wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><cite>General Annoyance wrote:</cite>...Dubai and Qatar, both places I've lived in for a substantial amount of time...</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> My fellow male of African-American descent.  <img src="/s/i/a/3280d57d913d8178fb42a55db16d1e89.gif" border="0"> </div></blockquote><br />  <img src="/s/i/a/8f7b3f87df347f2cf6c1e7d5e119a067.gif" border="0"> <br /> Dubai and Qatar are neither African nor American…</div></blockquote></div></blockquote><br /> <br /> <a href="http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=My%20nigga" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=My%20nigga</a><br /> <br /> <br /> <blockquote><div><cite>Korinov wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/90f12b2ac611d905c7a0947bb2b7b1bd.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/726797/9390244.page"><b>NinthMusketeer wrote:</b></a><br/>Wow some pretty crazy assumptions thrown around. All Saudis are "scumbags"? I'm out when things get to blatant racism.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Nope. Most saudis actually live under an incredibly oppresive regime. A regime which has been the main financer behind islamist terrorism for decades. And which had in Saddam's Iraq one of their main oil exporter competitors in the region.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Rich young Saudis living overseas generally <u>are</u> douchebags though. Terrible roommates.  <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0"> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/c770d9f3e442f0e9cf792c887699f177.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/726797/9390336.page"><b>Korinov wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/90f12b2ac611d905c7a0947bb2b7b1bd.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/726797/9390244.page"><b>NinthMusketeer wrote:</b></a><br/>Wow some pretty crazy assumptions thrown around. All Saudis are "scumbags"? I'm out when things get to blatant racism.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Nope. Most saudis actually live under an incredibly oppresive regime. A regime which has been the main financer behind islamist terrorism for decades. And which had in Saddam's Iraq one of their main oil exporter competitors in the region.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> It's slowly improving though. In Dammam, I've seen local women working, with their faces uncovered, and walking around next to their husbands, instead of behind them. Much different from when I was there about 10 years ago.<br /> It's slow going, admittedly - I wouldn't say Saudi is ready to join the post-Medieval world yet - but it's better than it was. <br /> Apparently the religious police have lost a lot of prestige and consequently power after a few incidents of them trying to beat some female US soldiers that went south pretty quickly for them, and so at least emancipation is slowly gaining a foothold.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/c6e08f4a45b3dc453be2661e95dfaaa2.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/726797/9390218.page"><b>Humble Guardsman wrote:</b></a><br/>My fellow male of African-American descent.  <img src="/s/i/a/3280d57d913d8178fb42a55db16d1e89.gif" border="0"> </div></blockquote><br />  <img src="/s/i/a/8f7b3f87df347f2cf6c1e7d5e119a067.gif" border="0"> <br /> <br /> But I'm British born and pure...<br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/726797/9390770.page"><b>Spetulhu wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/c770d9f3e442f0e9cf792c887699f177.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/726797/9390336.page"><b>Korinov wrote:</b></a><br/>Nope. Most saudis actually live under an incredibly oppresive regime. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> And funny enough their "traditional hardline Islam" isn't really that old at all - Wahhabism itself is over a century old but it only took fire in Saudiarabia after the oil rush started, as a counter to Western influence. Old geezers there still remember a time when you could talk to women in public without being family or the police. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I think some of less city more tribal areas at ment to be more free, but they are some of the old school lot who carry swords and such. <br /> In the deserts and more remote areas you don,t always have the luxury to keep women at home and less independent. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/726797/9390650.page"><b>Bran Dawri wrote:</b></a><br/>Apparently the religious police have lost a lot of prestige and consequently power after a few incidents of them trying to beat some female US soldiers that went south pretty quickly for them, and so at least emancipation is slowly gaining a foothold.</div></blockquote><br /> I hope the ensuing fight hurt their ego and much more than their ego too <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0">.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/46327707c26a61415d67beb18975dc38.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/726797/9389996.page"><b>jhe90 wrote:</b></a><br/><br /> <br /> With thr likes of jihadi john, some of the foreign fighters and beheaders, no. <br /> There was no fate for some of them bar vaporised by drone strikes. <br /> <br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> How do you determine what kind of atrocities a jihadist committed or not? How do you determine if a jihadist that fled the IS or other groups was a beheader of one that used to cook meals? Being part of the jihad system is enough for me to consider them all of the same kind. They go there for the ideals, which are based on mass murders. <br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/2dd28c6593f1200f591cf5cfaaed344a.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/726797/9389882.page"><b>Kilkrazy wrote:</b></a><br/>It's not very Christian to state there is no rehabilitation possible.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I'm not a christian in fact <img src="/s/i/a/c944477abc92c1c101da485e07ff06d8.gif" border="0">]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/b0ccb7f13e64f91aa51c41beb02ca643.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/726797/9391209.page"><b>Blackie wrote:</b></a><br/>How do you determine what kind of atrocities a jihadist committed or not? How do you determine if a jihadist that fled the IS or other groups was a beheader of one that used to cook meals? Being part of the jihad system is enough for me to consider them all of the same kind. They go there for the ideals, which are based on mass murders.</div></blockquote><br /> It would be way easier for me to take you at face value if you had not illustrated yourself by explaining us that people from third world countries “could only be useful in a lab if they were used as guinea pig”. This affirmation is demonstrably false but it does tell us a lot about the person that made it, i.e. you.<br /> <br /> (Also a reminder that Dakka moderation was perfectly okay with that statement)]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/9050ddd5e8ef9dfd4ba3de79058fa7c0.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/726797/9391291.page"><b>Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/b0ccb7f13e64f91aa51c41beb02ca643.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/726797/9391209.page"><b>Blackie wrote:</b></a><br/>How do you determine what kind of atrocities a jihadist committed or not? How do you determine if a jihadist that fled the IS or other groups was a beheader of one that used to cook meals? Being part of the jihad system is enough for me to consider them all of the same kind. They go there for the ideals, which are based on mass murders.</div></blockquote><br /> It would be way easier for me to take you at face value if you had not illustrated yourself by explaining us that people from third world countries “could only be useful in a lab if they were used as guinea pig”. This affirmation is demonstrably false but it does tell us a lot about the person that made it, i.e. you.<br /> <br /> (Also a reminder that Dakka moderation was perfectly okay with that statement)</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> What are you talking about? ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/6646f1490ad2a357f69baa5dbde46673.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/726797/9391327.page"><b>Tactical_Spam wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/9050ddd5e8ef9dfd4ba3de79058fa7c0.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/726797/9391291.page"><b>Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/b0ccb7f13e64f91aa51c41beb02ca643.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/726797/9391209.page"><b>Blackie wrote:</b></a><br/>How do you determine what kind of atrocities a jihadist committed or not? How do you determine if a jihadist that fled the IS or other groups was a beheader of one that used to cook meals? Being part of the jihad system is enough for me to consider them all of the same kind. They go there for the ideals, which are based on mass murders.</div></blockquote><br /> It would be way easier for me to take you at face value if you had not illustrated yourself by explaining us that people from third world countries “could only be useful in a lab if they were used as guinea pig”. This affirmation is demonstrably false but it does tell us a lot about the person that made it, i.e. you.<br /> <br /> (Also a reminder that Dakka moderation was perfectly okay with that statement)</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> What are you talking about? </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> A pretty racist remark that Blackie did in the past. And not "You are racist!" that people uses today. A legitimate racist remark.<br /> <br /> And about "all Yihadists are incapable of redemption"; thats like saying that all the Germans of the Nazi army where totally crazy people. You know, social preasure can make a society become totally crazy by rational standarts, but that doesn't means that the individuals are in fact monsters. <br /> 300 years ago basically everyone in America and Europe tought that black people should be slaves and weren't proper humans, and I don't think everyone in that era were monsters. They had other values and circunstances.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/9050ddd5e8ef9dfd4ba3de79058fa7c0.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/726797/9390222.page"><b>Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:</b></a><br/><br /> Don't think it's that unique. I mean, <br /> <a href="https://www.ctc.usma.edu/posts/indonesia%e2%80%99s-approach-to-jihadist-deradicalization" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://www.ctc.usma.edu/posts/indonesia%e2%80%99s-approach-to-jihadist-deradicalization</a><br /> <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/09/terrorism-do-deradicalisation-camps-work" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/09/terrorism-do-deradicalisation-camps-work</a></div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I missed this post - how rude of me  <img src="/s/i/a/504660322487159bb25fddaa475847a6.gif" border="0"> <br /> <br /> I phrased that wrong; unique in terms of its success is what I meant. Mind you, I never heard of these places till reading that article...]]></description>
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