Blacksails wrote:
I'll always support any well thought out doctrine proposal.

Can't find any issues with it. Blobs weren't broken before, they won't be broken now, and frankly make it easier for a Guard player to manage large amounts of infantry. Really, the big advantage is requiring less support characters per Guardsmen. To reduce the abuse of getting that benefit coupled with gak loads of CPs from easily filling up detachments, you could make each combined squad only count as one troop slot.

Light seems a little strong, but I like where you're going with it. Maybe reduce it to a fraction/percentage/set number of units that can deploy as advance scouts, but then give everyone some sort of bonus save when their in cover. Spitballin'.

Mechanized could do something fun like allow orders from tank commanders affect sentinels and hellhounds, while allowing embarked officers to issue orders to other vehicle/embarked squads within range.

 AnomanderRake wrote:
I'd suggest scout (pre-game move) rather than Infiltrate (deep-strike deployment) for light infantry; keeps them in theme, but isn't as dramatic.

You may want to bring the "restricted units" mechanic from the 3e book's doctrine system back (where you need to spend doctrine points to use auxiliaries, fancy vehicles, scions, etc.); and I'd also suggest bringing back carapace Veterans in some way, they seem to fit into the concept of a doctrine system well.

 Kanluwen wrote:
"Light Infantry Only" on Aerial Drop immediately removes the ability for them to represent the Harakoni Warhawks.

 Future War Cultist wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
"Light Infantry Only" on Aerial Drop immediately removes the ability for them to represent the Harakoni Warhawks.

How?

 Future War Cultist wrote:

 Blacksails wrote:
I'll always support any well thought out doctrine proposal.

Can't find any issues with it. Blobs weren't broken before, they won't be broken now, and frankly make it easier for a Guard player to manage large amounts of infantry. Really, the big advantage is requiring less support characters per Guardsmen. To reduce the abuse of getting that benefit coupled with gak loads of CPs from easily filling up detachments, you could make each combined squad only count as one troop slot.

Light seems a little strong, but I like where you're going with it. Maybe reduce it to a fraction/percentage/set number of units that can deploy as advance scouts, but then give everyone some sort of bonus save when their in cover. Spitballin'.

Mechanized could do something fun like allow orders from tank commanders affect sentinels and hellhounds, while allowing embarked officers to issue orders to other vehicle/embarked squads within range.

Cool, thanks.

I guess we could do that for combined squads. I figured though the benefits would be balanced by the reduced ability to use transports and stuff. But I'm open to the idea.

You're right that light infantry are a little strong. How about this...you have to spend CPs to move the units around, to represent the logistics it requires to do so. One CP to move 3 units? Would this work?

Those are sound ideas for Mechanized. One other I was considering was letting half of a unit embarked within a chimera or taurox shoot their weapons under the same restrictions that the transport has, like a Stormlord. Bring back the hatches!

 Blacksails wrote:
Again, all good ideas. I'm a little concerned the Aerial Drop skill would really squeeze out the niche scions fill at the moment. Plus, handing out free deep strike also strikes me as a little too powerful.

My thoughts on Aerial Drop is to have some sort of synergy with the Valk (and future Vendetta/Vulture after FW finishes the book). You could remove the negative part of the Grav Chute ability from the Valk for Aerial Drop. Lets them zoom around the table and hop out whenever and wherever they like.

I'm kind of hoping the full Codex will bring back some of the old flavour, like firing points, but its definitely a decent idea for the mechanized trait.

Time to bust out Only War for more ideas.

 Blacksails wrote:
I'm not sure if you have Only War, but it has a section for designing your own regiment. Part of the design process is to select the regiment type. They offer 7 types, which are as follows: armoured, reconnaissance, drop troops, hunter killer, light infantry, line infantry, mechanized infantry, and siege infantry. I like all of them except hunter killer, which is a fancy way of saying 'faster, less armoured, armoured regiment, so I'm inclined to run with those 6 options. These essentially cover all the reasonable and major types of regiments you'll encounter, namely with one exceptions; stormtroopers/grenadiers. We have Scions for what used to be stormtroopers, but no option for any sort of massed Grenadiers.

My solution to the lack of carapace/grenadiers is to simply return the option of carapace to all officers, command squads, and veterans. So that's settled.

You already have proposals for 3 of the regiment types (line, light, and mech), and now a fourth (drop troops). That leaves siege and armoured. A mechanized regiment should have bonuses geared towards the use of chimeras, so giving back firing points and issuing orders from and to chimeras makes sense. The armoured regiments could have a bonus like "All Leman Russ tanks do not suffer the penalty for moving and firing with any weapon." Maybe throw in some ability for tank commanders to issue orders to themselves and other commanders. Siege would be your Krieg, so they'd have the bonuses to Ld, attacking, and maybe something to do with arty. Maybe allowing officers to issue orders to basilisks or something.

Food for thought.

 Formerly Wu wrote:
Mech infantry shooting out of transports seems to run a bit counter to what the edition is going for. My suggestions would be one or more of the following:

a) Infantry that disembarks from a transport does not count as moving for the purposes of firing Heavy Weapons.

b) Transports gain +1 to hit and +1 S in a Fight phase after they have charged. This represents the "run them down" strategy used by the Steel Legion.

c) Transports can fire Overwatch when a unit within 3" is charged.

 Future War Cultist wrote:

Not a bad suggestion. I also think that it could be possible to allow mechanized officers to use the tank orders rule on chimeras and tauroxes. Nominate one transport within 6" of the Officer (which can include the one they are embarked upon. If within 3" of a vox caster or embarked upon a transport increase range to 18". Senior Officers can nominate two transports) and select which one of the orders to use.