<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "Hate for the Plague Father"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/69.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Hate for the Plague Father GW lost my fantasy dollars forever with AoS; I'm no longer bitter (HA!) but I will never play a single round of that game. I had high hopes for 8th but I'm not seeing it just yet. I'm focusing on the Death Guard for this rant. Only the Death Guard. I'm not getting started on Numarines, Crawl, or Girlyman. Woof. On to the Death Guard. Why do all of the units/characters have terrible names that echo their fantasy counterpart in AoS? I realize that AoS was simplified story wise for a younger market; I understand that 40k must be simplified as well to survive...BUT...in most editions of 40k a Nurgle Chaos Lord was called just that: A Chaos Lord of Nurgle. Or a Captain, Commander, etc. So now we have the Lord of Contagion...ok not bad, no gun...the axe is ridiculous stupid...but whatever, its ok. But then we move on to the "Noxious Blightbringer" and the "Malignant Plaguecaster". Why not a Chaos Sorcerer of Nurgle? Wouldn't a "Blightbringer" be noxious by definition? They sound like MtG creature names to me, and while those were rad in 1994...they don't seem nearly as cool now. And the model for the sorcerer (yeah I refuse to call it a Malignant Plaugecaster) is the worst model GW has produced, ever. Who ever signed off on the draft of that sorcerer should be in deep noxious blightbringer by now. It looks like a sick fat baby man with a giant spoon hurling vomitous gruel at something. No bolter, no plague knife, nothing to say I'm a space marine but his backpack. And why the strange "beard"? If that's a beard. Or a tube? It looks horrible. This model is, to me personally, a message from GW. A message that says feth you.

The Actual Plague Marines are pretty good BUT: plague grenades are not potato mashers. They are human skulls and heads. And about the champion...what exactly am I looking at? And do all the death guard have bolt guns? Some appear to hold bolt pistols...maybe they're the same for DG in 8th?...The blight drone seems fine, needs a better paint job...wait it's called a "Foetid Bloat Drone" Thank the Chaos Gods they didn't use the Non-foetid bloated one...UGH.

I can not take this seriously enough to suspend my already stretched beyond belief disbelief and believe that GW is not going to make this into a game I don't want to play anymore, and a universe I don't care to visit anymore. The only way I would spend 1$ on 8th edition is if they released a proper and awesome chaos space marine squad with proper equipment and options and armor mk's. Then I would buy one squad and the rulebook...I have a plastic "helbrute" (why not a "Raging Hell-Brute) and some bikers ("Speeding Death Wheels") laying around...
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The naming is a little silly, but hardly something that's gonna ruin games.

And this guy looks awesome, imo.

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/728940/9432872.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/728940/9432872.page GMT Hate for the Plague Father As I said in our Death Guard thread
That Lord of Contagion is perfecto!

Edit: yeah the sorcerer's face is a little off, nothing a little converting wouldn't fix.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/728940/9432881.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/728940/9432881.page GMT Hate for the Plague Father
 Rippy wrote:
I love them.
As I said in our Death Guard thread
That Lord of Contagion is perfecto!

Edit: yeah the sorcerer's face is a little off, nothing a little converting wouldn't fix.


Why is he carrying a wood elf spoon? He could have looked so much more menacing with some proper gear.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/728940/9432892.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/728940/9432892.page GMT Hate for the Plague Father
 Purifier wrote:
 Rippy wrote:
I love them.
As I said in our Death Guard thread
That Lord of Contagion is perfecto!

Edit: yeah the sorcerer's face is a little off, nothing a little converting wouldn't fix.


Why is he carrying a wood elf spoon? He could have looked so much more menacing with some proper gear.

Yeah, nothing a good scythe won't fix either if you are not a fan. That sorcerer is a couple of conversions and a decent paint job away from being a good model IMO. Even with not being a fan of models being mid-shooting etc]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/728940/9432902.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/728940/9432902.page GMT Hate for the Plague Father Overall I think they look great, when you see them in the flesh.
I will be making some modifications.. especially the sorceror.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/728940/9432906.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/728940/9432906.page GMT Hate for the Plague Father http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/728940/9432913.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/728940/9432913.page GMT Hate for the Plague Father
 Rippy wrote:

Yeah, nothing a good scythe won't fix either if you are not a fan. That sorcerer is a couple of conversions and a decent paint job away from being a good model IMO. Even with not being a fan of models being mid-shooting etc


Kinda silly if you need to pay and work conversions to make supposedly "best miniatures in the world" look like a good model though. Especially when pricing is like ferrari of miniatures. If I buy ferrari I don't want to have to work on it to be a good car!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/728940/9432914.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/728940/9432914.page GMT Hate for the Plague Father Chaos miniatures should be weird, distorted and disturbing, that is what Chaos is about. I think these DG miniatures do a fine job.

But to each his own. Not everyone likes the same things, and aesthetic preferences can't really be discussed. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/728940/9432915.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/728940/9432915.page GMT Hate for the Plague Father
 Purifier wrote:
 Rippy wrote:
I love them.
As I said in our Death Guard thread
That Lord of Contagion is perfecto!

Edit: yeah the sorcerer's face is a little off, nothing a little converting wouldn't fix.


Why is he carrying a wood elf spoon? He could have looked so much more menacing with some proper gear.


I got the impression that was meant to be symbolic. i.e. Nurgle standing at his cauldron stirring new diseases.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/728940/9432919.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/728940/9432919.page GMT Hate for the Plague Father DG models shown by GW suffer from a terrible paint job mostly. Just like their Nurgle Daemons and fantasy-Nurgle-models before. All of them are simply too clean. They do really have gruesome details - but it seams nobody wantd to paint those or use some of GWs own technicals to let them shine. Some blood, typhus corrosion and nurgle's rot will solve these problems.
The models themselves are great, especially the marines. They combine aspects of Plague marines from all eras, though mostly the awesome forgeworld conversion sets. What they lack in maggots they make up in bells. Admittedly I'm not a fan of bells everywhere. Bells for the bell-throne it seems.
Nurgle models have always been equipped with wooden weapons, even their bolters had applications that were shown in wood color and already the icon bearer from 3rd ed had a wooden staff.
Agreed, those new models are over the top. 40K always was, though. It's just that model creation developped and makes those "overdetailed" models possible. If you don't like that sorcerer - convert it. It's a plastic model, shouldn't be that hard.

Btw. concerning names: In 7th ed. GW stopped translating unit names into other languages - we have ridiculous/ unfitting unit names because of that in germany for years . ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/728940/9432929.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/728940/9432929.page GMT Hate for the Plague Father
tneva82 wrote:
 Rippy wrote:

Yeah, nothing a good scythe won't fix either if you are not a fan. That sorcerer is a couple of conversions and a decent paint job away from being a good model IMO. Even with not being a fan of models being mid-shooting etc


Kinda silly if you need to pay and work conversions to make supposedly "best miniatures in the world" look like a good model though. Especially when pricing is like ferrari of miniatures. If I buy ferrari I don't want to have to work on it to be a good car!

It is well made, it is down to personal preference if you want to make any changes or not.
And that Lord of Contagion IS the best model in the world ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/728940/9432943.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/728940/9432943.page GMT Re:Hate for the Plague Father
BUT...in most editions of 40k a Nurgle Chaos Lord was called just that: A Chaos Lord of Nurgle. Or a Captain, Commander, etc. So now we have the Lord of Contagion...ok not bad, no gun...the axe is ridiculous stupid...but whatever, its ok. But then we move on to the "Noxious Blightbringer" and the "Malignant Plaguecaster". Why not a Chaos Sorcerer of Nurgle? Wouldn't a "Blightbringer" be noxious by definition?
But.. these tend to be names that have been used in the fluff to call them that in the lore. They tend to be called a Nurgle Lord only on the tabletop because of that whole generic thing going on.

Do you really think that they don't have pretentious titles in the fluff? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/728940/9433007.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/728940/9433007.page GMT Re:Hate for the Plague Father http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/728940/9433014.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/728940/9433014.page GMT Hate for the Plague Father
Wulfen look way worse than they really are with that official paint.

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hobojebus wrote:
I think a lot of what makes it look like crap is that paint job.

Wulfen look way worse than they really are with that official paint.



What really makes that sad is that the paintjob is very clearly done by someone that is incredibly skilled. Those clean and crisp colours are really hard to pull off.... and they just don't suit it at all.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/728940/9433063.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/728940/9433063.page GMT Hate for the Plague Father
 Purifier wrote:
hobojebus wrote:
I think a lot of what makes it look like crap is that paint job.

Wulfen look way worse than they really are with that official paint.



What really makes that sad is that the paintjob is very clearly done by someone that is incredibly skilled. Those clean and crisp colours are really hard to pull off.... and they just don't suit it at all.


This.

It's not even the green tones - it's the way they've handled the flesh tones and how clean and crisp everything is, right down to the metal. My own Death Guard use a similar scheme but as you can tell...end up much grimier and dark in tone.

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tneva82 wrote:
 Rippy wrote:

Yeah, nothing a good scythe won't fix either if you are not a fan. That sorcerer is a couple of conversions and a decent paint job away from being a good model IMO. Even with not being a fan of models being mid-shooting etc


Kinda silly if you need to pay and work conversions to make supposedly "best miniatures in the world" look like a good model though. Especially when pricing is like ferrari of miniatures. If I buy ferrari I don't want to have to work on it to be a good car!


So you never bought a car and put after market parts on it? I have a buddy that just bought a $70,000 Corvette and then spent another $15,000 on after market products to make it look that much cooler. So yeah buy the Ferrari and then go ahead and spend a little bit more to make it look that much more "BAM" on the table. I'm just glad they made them all plastic, wish they would just stick to plastic, resin is pain to work with and almost impossible to bit crash, imo.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/728940/9433132.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/728940/9433132.page GMT Hate for the Plague Father DG models.

1. Too clean, no grit.
2. Over detailed to the point of obnoxious.
3. The Sorc looks silly not Nurgly.
4. Too many bells....and I like bells...but too many!
5. The flames and spell casting modeled...not my fav.
6. The Pox Walkers...again more silly than gritty.

They are well sculpted as far as quality, but did not capture DG, imo.

I just posted my newly painted PM's, in the showcase forum, and hope the paintjob I used will look good on these new models.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/728940/9433138.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/728940/9433138.page GMT Hate for the Plague Father
Compare with Forgeworld.

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-CA/Death-Guard-Conversion-Set]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/728940/9433161.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/728940/9433161.page GMT Hate for the Plague Father
I'm even making a Nurgle-inspired Chaos Marine force, and I was pretty excited when I saw Death Guard were going to be released. Now? Not buying a single one of the starter box models.

I do agree wholeheartedly with the stupidity of GW naming conventions - and that's been creeping in all along the product line. Really ham-fisted "trying too hard" silliness. The entire AOS Khorne line is one of the worst offenders.

"Here's my second unit...the Bloodbathing Slaughterfestival Mourningblood of Bloody Dripbloodering Brutalizers...." fething atrocious, and not a single person can defend that stupidity.

I can see it now on the Chaos Space Marine command barge.

"Very well, Morax. Deploy the bloat drones."

"...Sire?"

"The bloat drones. Send them in. Full attack."

"Sire, do you mean..."

"For Horus' sake, the "foetid" bloat drones...you assclown."

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The chapterhouse studios lawsuit is to blame for it.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/728940/9433181.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/728940/9433181.page GMT Hate for the Plague Father
 Elbows wrote:
The entire AOS Khorne line is one of the worst offenders.


The Space Wolves beg to differ, as they send their contender, Murderfang the Curseborn of The Fang wielding his Murder Claws and being subject to the rule Murderlust. Didn't they like find him in Canyon Murder on Murder planet or something ridiculous as well?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/728940/9433186.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/728940/9433186.page GMT Hate for the Plague Father
I think my beef with nurgle paint schemes at GW is the INSISTENCE that things need to be nearly a neon green in color tone.

The forge world stuff goes off nicer because they have a more diseased look rather than a bright green paint scheme.

Like this:


With death guard I always find it easier to base coat them as......DEATH GUARD. Then corrupt them. White armor, green secondary, brass details.

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 Rippy wrote:
There is no need to get upset about GW securing their IP by renaming things.
The chapterhouse studios lawsuit is to blame for it.


The guard will never be anything but the guard and even if the new names took you still wont stop third party manufacturers making compatible parts.

Hell chapter house ensured they can never stop third party companies from making parts, it may of burnt that guy out but he did the conversion comunity a big favour.

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 Purifier wrote:
 Elbows wrote:
The entire AOS Khorne line is one of the worst offenders.


The Space Wolves beg to differ, as they send their contender, Murderfang the Curseborn of The Fang wielding his Murder Claws and being subject to the rule Murderlust. Didn't they like find him in Canyon Murder on Murder planet or something ridiculous as well?


Ahem. An Ode to Canis.

Wolf Wolfborn, of the Space Wolves, riding a giant wolf, with wolf claws and a wolf tooth talisman. Wolf wolf. Wolf wolf wolf. Wolf wolf wolf wolf.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/728940/9433260.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/728940/9433260.page GMT Hate for the Plague Father
 DarkStarSabre wrote:
 Purifier wrote:
 Elbows wrote:
The entire AOS Khorne line is one of the worst offenders.


The Space Wolves beg to differ, as they send their contender, Murderfang the Curseborn of The Fang wielding his Murder Claws and being subject to the rule Murderlust. Didn't they like find him in Canyon Murder on Murder planet or something ridiculous as well?


Ahem. An Ode to Canis.

Wolf Wolfborn, of the Space Wolves, riding a giant wolf, with wolf claws and a wolf tooth talisman. Wolf wolf. Wolf wolf wolf. Wolf wolf wolf wolf.


You forgot "the wolfiest of giant wolves" ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/728940/9433283.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/728940/9433283.page GMT Hate for the Plague Father http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/728940/9433290.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/728940/9433290.page GMT Hate for the Plague Father
 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
 DarkStarSabre wrote:
 Purifier wrote:
 Elbows wrote:
The entire AOS Khorne line is one of the worst offenders.


The Space Wolves beg to differ, as they send their contender, Murderfang the Curseborn of The Fang wielding his Murder Claws and being subject to the rule Murderlust. Didn't they like find him in Canyon Murder on Murder planet or something ridiculous as well?


Ahem. An Ode to Canis.

Wolf Wolfborn, of the Space Wolves, riding a giant wolf, with wolf claws and a wolf tooth talisman. Wolf wolf. Wolf wolf wolf. Wolf wolf wolf wolf.


You forgot "the wolfiest of giant wolves"


https://youtu.be/f5cL-h3Pj1o?t=39]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/728940/9433292.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/728940/9433292.page GMT Hate for the Plague Father http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/728940/9433330.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/728940/9433330.page GMT Hate for the Plague Father
 Rippy wrote:
Okay just picked up the starter set, the sorcerer looks a lot better on sprue than in that picture.


Ok how customizable are the models? I know that typically they are snap fit so that has some limitations buuut are they somewhat customizable?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/728940/9433361.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/728940/9433361.page GMT Hate for the Plague Father
 Purifier wrote:
 Elbows wrote:
The entire AOS Khorne line is one of the worst offenders.


The Space Wolves beg to differ, as they send their contender, Murderfang the Curseborn of The Fang wielding his Murder Claws and being subject to the rule Murderlust. Didn't they like find him in Canyon Murder on Murder planet or something ridiculous as well?

Murderfang and his murderous Murderclawes hail from the planet OMNICIDE! Where his Murderlust was born by murdering everything... Seriously, I swear GW was just trolling with that one.
It is sad to see an awesome concept being ruined by such silly names. I don't mind the names of the DG though. Lord of Contagion isn't silly like the SW names, and it sure as hell is better than 'Chaos Lord of Nurgle #3467']]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/728940/9433407.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/728940/9433407.page GMT Hate for the Plague Father
 SGrimhart wrote:
 Rippy wrote:
Okay just picked up the starter set, the sorcerer looks a lot better on sprue than in that picture.


Ok how customizable are the models? I know that typically they are snap fit so that has some limitations buuut are they somewhat customizable?


From the sprue pictures I've seen and examining the sprues, weapon swaps etc. are feasible. That's my plan - the Plague Marines are becoming Chosen and doubling up as a SWA kill team/Inquisimunda warband.
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Taffy17 wrote:
I heard people saying this about that model in the OP. I think it's just the swollen face. I suggested drilling out the face to give it a Ringwraith feel from LOTR.


I don't even think it's so much the face or the fleshy bits. It's the paintscheme they've used, 100%. Even the spell mid-cast could benefit from a darker paint scheme rather than the pale yellow they used....]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/728940/9433425.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/728940/9433425.page GMT Hate for the Plague Father GW does it in cause they want to show off all the little details (skulls and random trash that stuck to the master when they dropped it) to the kit. Probably the same reason they highlight every single last edge despite it not making sense to (as it'd be in a spot where it wouldn't have a highlight) or to the point where it made a bunch of the bonesplitterz look like they're running around with a blob of tin foil on the end of a stick.


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 DarkStarSabre wrote:
Taffy17 wrote:
I heard people saying this about that model in the OP. I think it's just the swollen face. I suggested drilling out the face to give it a Ringwraith feel from LOTR.


I don't even think it's so much the face or the fleshy bits. It's the paintscheme they've used, 100%. Even the spell mid-cast could benefit from a darker paint scheme rather than the pale yellow they used....


Gives too much of a porridge throwing baby vibe really. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/728940/9433438.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/728940/9433438.page GMT Hate for the Plague Father
 n0t_u wrote:
I agree with the too clean and bright look, but that's the style GW does it in cause they want to show off all the little details (skulls and random trash that stuck to the master when they dropped it) to the kit. Probably the same reason they highlight every single last edge despite it not making sense to (as it'd be in a spot where it wouldn't have a highlight) or to the point where it made a bunch of the bonesplitterz look like they're running around with a blob of tin foil on the end of a stick.


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 DarkStarSabre wrote:
Taffy17 wrote:
I heard people saying this about that model in the OP. I think it's just the swollen face. I suggested drilling out the face to give it a Ringwraith feel from LOTR.


I don't even think it's so much the face or the fleshy bits. It's the paintscheme they've used, 100%. Even the spell mid-cast could benefit from a darker paint scheme rather than the pale yellow they used....


Gives too much of a porridge throwing baby vibe really.


well now i can't unsee that.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/728940/9433449.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/728940/9433449.page GMT Hate for the Plague Father
Kaiyanwang wrote:I think the models have nice concept and here and there, awesome parts (not the sorcerer, the is plain horrible, unfocused, has a bad pose and weird proportions), but I think there was a moment in their design the sculptors were supposed to stop, but they continued adding details and spikes instead.

Compare with Forgeworld.

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-CA/Death-Guard-Conversion-Set


This 10000%. I couldnt agree more with this. I wish they would have got more inspiration from the FW models, less from a comic book.

n0t_u wrote:

Gives too much of a porridge throwing baby vibe really.


I want a photo shop of the Sorc with porridge dripping from the face and his "spoon" with a pacifier in place of a bell now.
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 n0t_u wrote:
I agree with the too clean and bright look, but that's the style GW does it in cause they want to show off all the little details (skulls and random trash that stuck to the master when they dropped it) to the kit. Probably the same reason they highlight every single last edge despite it not making sense to (as it'd be in a spot where it wouldn't have a highlight) or to the point where it made a bunch of the bonesplitterz look like they're running around with a blob of tin foil on the end of a stick.


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 DarkStarSabre wrote:
Taffy17 wrote:
I heard people saying this about that model in the OP. I think it's just the swollen face. I suggested drilling out the face to give it a Ringwraith feel from LOTR.


I don't even think it's so much the face or the fleshy bits. It's the paintscheme they've used, 100%. Even the spell mid-cast could benefit from a darker paint scheme rather than the pale yellow they used....


Gives too much of a porridge throwing baby vibe really.

Well I used to really like the model... Now I just see babies throwing porridge ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/728940/9433460.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/728940/9433460.page GMT Hate for the Plague Father
C.Straken wrote:
 n0t_u wrote:
I agree with the too clean and bright look, but that's the style GW does it in cause they want to show off all the little details (skulls and random trash that stuck to the master when they dropped it) to the kit. Probably the same reason they highlight every single last edge despite it not making sense to (as it'd be in a spot where it wouldn't have a highlight) or to the point where it made a bunch of the bonesplitterz look like they're running around with a blob of tin foil on the end of a stick.

Gives too much of a porridge throwing baby vibe really.
Well I used to really like the model... Now I just see babies throwing porridge
And if there is going to be any army to get babies, it should be the Orks, because they can Waaagh! as good as the Greenskins! ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/728940/9433488.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/728940/9433488.page GMT Hate for the Plague Father
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 Lotus Corgi wrote:
The Nurgle stuff is just plain horrible. I can not get over it. GW lost my fantasy dollars forever with AoS; I'm no longer bitter (HA!) but I will never play a single round of that game. I had high hopes for 8th but I'm not seeing it just yet. I'm focusing on the Death Guard for this rant. Only the Death Guard. I'm not getting started on Numarines, Crawl, or Girlyman. Woof. On to the Death Guard. Why do all of the units/characters have terrible names that echo their fantasy counterpart in AoS? I realize that AoS was simplified story wise for a younger market; I understand that 40k must be simplified as well to survive...BUT...in most editions of 40k a Nurgle Chaos Lord was called just that: A Chaos Lord of Nurgle. Or a Captain, Commander, etc. So now we have the Lord of Contagion...ok not bad, no gun...the axe is ridiculous stupid...but whatever, its ok. But then we move on to the "Noxious Blightbringer" and the "Malignant Plaguecaster". Why not a Chaos Sorcerer of Nurgle? Wouldn't a "Blightbringer" be noxious by definition? They sound like MtG creature names to me, and while those were rad in 1994...they don't seem nearly as cool now. And the model for the sorcerer (yeah I refuse to call it a Malignant Plaugecaster) is the worst model GW has produced, ever. Who ever signed off on the draft of that sorcerer should be in deep noxious blightbringer by now. It looks like a sick fat baby man with a giant spoon hurling vomitous gruel at something. No bolter, no plague knife, nothing to say I'm a space marine but his backpack. And why the strange "beard"? If that's a beard. Or a tube? It looks horrible. This model is, to me personally, a message from GW. A message that says feth you.

The Actual Plague Marines are pretty good BUT: plague grenades are not potato mashers. They are human skulls and heads. And about the champion...what exactly am I looking at? And do all the death guard have bolt guns? Some appear to hold bolt pistols...maybe they're the same for DG in 8th?...The blight drone seems fine, needs a better paint job...wait it's called a "Foetid Bloat Drone" Thank the Chaos Gods they didn't use the Non-foetid bloated one...UGH.

I can not take this seriously enough to suspend my already stretched beyond belief disbelief and believe that GW is not going to make this into a game I don't want to play anymore, and a universe I don't care to visit anymore. The only way I would spend 1$ on 8th edition is if they released a proper and awesome chaos space marine squad with proper equipment and options and armor mk's. Then I would buy one squad and the rulebook...I have a plastic "helbrute" (why not a "Raging Hell-Brute) and some bikers ("Speeding Death Wheels") laying around...


That Sorcerer is an abomination. Period! He is even worse than the old Nagash mini. But this guy is not the only offender. Mr. hells bells is also bad. The size of his bell rivals that of the Skaven Screaming Bell. GW could have saved this guy, if they had provided him with a Palanquin. In that case he wouldn´t have to move on his own and lug that atrocious bell around all by himself.
Are these two the only stinkers in the box? Nope, the Chaos Lord looks like a cheap Typhus knockoff. What were they thinking? No new ideas at all for the reboot of 40K.
Next come the Plague Zom.. ermm Poxwalkers. Yes, the new naming convention is stupid. These guys look at first glance allright but why do they have to grin like Nurglings? These are the Walking Dead of 40K and they should be frightening. Oh well, I forgot this release is intended for twelve-year-olds.
The redeeeming factor for the Nurgle guys are the Marines and Blight Drone. The latter is really great. Good job, GW.

A lot of people weren´t satisfied with the paint job. Imo no paint job will save a bad sculpt like the baby-face sorcerer. It should also not be our responsibility to save this guy by doing a conversion. GW prides itself by stating that they are the number one of the mini manufacturers but they haven´t proven their claim with this release. That leaves the question what to do with this guy? Here is mine: Burn him and post the video on youtube.






]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/728940/9433503.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/728940/9433503.page GMT Hate for the Plague Father HQs to Nurgle up. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/728940/9433515.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/728940/9433515.page GMT Hate for the Plague Father 40k models is for marketing reasons.

You can't have a miniature full of detail and give them a gritty paintjob that obscure all the detail to put in your marketing and store pages. Is just as simple.


But yes, the Baby Sorcerrer has to be one of the worst models of 40k in the past years. But well, has been like 2 years where I have liked all of the models, so is a very good record
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/728940/9433581.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/728940/9433581.page GMT Hate for the Plague Father FW. The head will probably be replaced with the Nurgle head from the regular CSM box, or even just a regular head (as I'll probably be painting them in HH Death Guard colours).]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/728940/9433654.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/728940/9433654.page GMT Hate for the Plague Father
 Galas wrote:
The bright paintjobs in all of 40k models is for marketing reasons.

You can't have a miniature full of detail and give them a gritty paintjob that obscure all the detail to put in your marketing and store pages. Is just as simple.


But yes, the Baby Sorcerrer has to be one of the worst models of 40k in the past years. But well, has been like 2 years where I have liked all of the models, so is a very good record


You mustn't have looked at the AoS range then, lots of ugly stuff in there like the dwarf slayers and the khorne guys with awful body proportions.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/728940/9433727.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/728940/9433727.page GMT Hate for the Plague Father
 Galas wrote:
The bright paintjobs in all of 40k models is for marketing reasons.

You can't have a miniature full of detail and give them a gritty paintjob that obscure all the detail to put in your marketing and store pages. Is just as simple.


But yes, the Baby Sorcerrer has to be one of the worst models of 40k in the past years. But well, has been like 2 years where I have liked all of the models, so is a very good record


Even "Jazzhands Karate Kid" Wulfen? I still can't take that model seriously. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/728940/9433779.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/728940/9433779.page GMT Hate for the Plague Father
I have to admit, I've liked the new DG range a lot so far. My only criticism is that they are simply too busy, but that seems to be a theme with GW nowadays. Won't judge until I've seen the models in the flesh myself and others have done some non Eavy Metal style paintjobs to them.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/728940/9433781.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/728940/9433781.page GMT Re:Hate for the Plague Father DG paint scheme is clearly meant to be a very pleasant complementary scheme as the starter set is a flagship product. The realistic/grimy paint job that forge-world does and that we are all thinking of can easily be applied to these models and they can be made to look spectacular. The biggest grievance with the paint job is the purple-magenta-pink skin tones they've utilized to tie in with the green. More natural skin tones, some splatter on it, some rust streaks and realistic weathering and these can look phenomenal in no time.

The theme here is over-the-top mutations, bells, horns and decay. This has been the Nurgle theme since the Plague bearers came out. (And even before that but it was continued in plastic) I think GW plans to release a few special Chaos armies with their own unique aesthetic and this is the GW Nurgle aesthetic, plain and simple. They took CSM and gave them the Putrid Blightkings treatment. I love that look, but it's a specific taste, so if people did not like nurgle untis before this release, they will likley dislike these now.

My thoughts on the models:

The sorcerer: I agree the face looks strange, but if any range was amenable to conversion work/green stuff certainly it's Nurgle troops. I plan on using a different half face on my sorcerer, but even if I had to use this one, I bet I could paint it to look gritty and proper. I also think he will benefit from being on a 40mm base as opposed to a 32mm. The wooden staff has to be painted in a very dark contrasting color, possible given a lot of texture with Typhus corrosion, but it certainly is workable.

Pox Walkers: Love the idea of them, although the grins were a bit strange at first. I get that they are trying to go for a Nurgle themed happy/disturbing theme, but you can also think of it as a disease state: If you were to look into a condition called "risus sardonicus" which is a side effect of Tetanus toxin, forcing the muscles of the face into a rigid, forced smile. It sort of fits the feel and fluff, and that will be my explanation for why my zombies are grinning ear to ear.

Plague marines: Beautiful! No complaints here, just gotta weather them properly.

Bell-guy: Granted the bell is huge and ridiculous, I still think it looks right on par with what a Nurgle standard bearer should look like. That bell needs a ton of Verdigris though.

Lord: Agreed that he looks quite generic but I will be waiting for the upcoming MPP DG terminator kit to diversify him so he doesn't look like everyone else's plague lord. The Nurgle icon over his head is beautiful but I think it will fit over a large vehicle/dreadnought better.

Drone: Beautifully made, no complaints, will need lots of rusting up thought.

Overall if you're on the fence about these models, give the painters and modelers some time to have their way with them. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised! ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/728940/9433804.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/728940/9433804.page GMT Hate for the Plague Father
They do look slightly more fantasy esque than i'd like, maybe overkill with the horns. Not enough maggots and guts. Their armor should be cracking due to them being bloated. But they look almost more like possessed to me.

The dual cover image that kept floating around of a half primaris half DG also was cool. Because the corrupted mk IV looked crazy with the nurgle corruption. But unfortunately GW is doing full mk III. Even though in the forgeworld books the DG were shown to make use of MK IV and II as well.

Nurgle has always had a kind of comical and subtle humor to it. The only difference is less time it's less dark and gritty, I think the blight grenades are more like skulls/fully decayed than chopped off heads on a stick. Also less guts spilling out and less horrificness in general.

At this point I just want more DG reveals on what is next. The multi part kits might be a lot better and have the options for things we want. DIfferent heads, less spiky shoulderpads etc.

Luckily i'll probably only field one of these sorcerers in my force. No way i'd have duplicates of this guy. And when playing with the model i'll probably just call him the plaguecaster/sorcerer and skip the malignant part.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/728940/9433828.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/728940/9433828.page GMT Re:Hate for the Plague Father
I think with that conversion, both he and the standard Plague Marine squad would be great for skirmish-sized games. But never the real sorceror. Not. Ever.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/728940/9434244.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/728940/9434244.page GMT Hate for the Plague Father
It's okay to not like the Death Guard aesthetic.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/728940/9434294.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/728940/9434294.page GMT Hate for the Plague Father
 Rippy wrote:
I am getting the vibe that people wanted 30k Death Guard.

It's okay to not like the Death Guard aesthetic.


30k Death Guard are nice.

Back when I was going to get into 8th I was planning on running the plague units alongside my 30k Death Guard.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/728940/9434311.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/728940/9434311.page GMT Hate for the Plague Father http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/728940/9434421.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/728940/9434421.page GMT Hate for the Plague Father
 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
 Galas wrote:
The bright paintjobs in all of 40k models is for marketing reasons.

You can't have a miniature full of detail and give them a gritty paintjob that obscure all the detail to put in your marketing and store pages. Is just as simple.


But yes, the Baby Sorcerrer has to be one of the worst models of 40k in the past years. But well, has been like 2 years where I have liked all of the models, so is a very good record


Even "Jazzhands Karate Kid" Wulfen? I still can't take that model seriously.


Isn't the Wulfen more than two years old?

hobojebus wrote:
 Galas wrote:
The bright paintjobs in all of 40k models is for marketing reasons.

You can't have a miniature full of detail and give them a gritty paintjob that obscure all the detail to put in your marketing and store pages. Is just as simple.


But yes, the Baby Sorcerrer has to be one of the worst models of 40k in the past years. But well, has been like 2 years where I have liked all of the models, so is a very good record


You mustn't have looked at the AoS range then, lots of ugly stuff in there like the dwarf slayers and the khorne guys with awful body proportions


I play Chaos in Age of Sigmar... Khorne Bloodbound. What can I say? I love my naked canibals with awful body proportions
The Fireslayers I don't specially like. The Magmadroth is cool, but the rest of the kits are meh. But I don't dislike them either. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/728940/9434435.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/728940/9434435.page GMT Hate for the Plague Father
 Elbows wrote:
I think my surprise is that people state "Oh, Death Guard have always been over the top!". No. Not at all. Their origins are nothing like what you have modeled now - and sadly that also means they won't meld in very well with existing forces.


That's what I am afraid of.....]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/728940/9434436.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/728940/9434436.page GMT Hate for the Plague Father
 Rippy wrote:
I am getting the vibe that people wanted 30k Death Guard.

It's okay to not like the Death Guard aesthetic.


I'm actually jumping in Deathguard for this. The Forgeworld Plague Marines and the basic GW Plague Marines are totally ugly in the bad way, at least to me. This new kit? They hare my favourite type of Chaos: Mutated, corrupted and with horns!

The "I'm a fat marine that casually has my guts exposed" look for Death Guard looked boring for me. The sorcerer in the other hand has no possible defense ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/728940/9434528.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/728940/9434528.page GMT Hate for the Plague Father
This model is, to me personally, a message from GW. A message that says feth you

Its funny, because it was intended as the opposite. Both this model and the poxwalkers (and some of the other nurgle things) are pulling on a lot of the 'classic' nurgle art from the dawn of time (Ie, the Realm of Chaos books) as their primary influences.

Some of it I don't think works very well in CAD design plastic, but as always, aesthetics are going to be incredibly subjective. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/728940/9434572.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/728940/9434572.page GMT Hate for the Plague Father
 Galas wrote:

Isn't the Wulfen more than two years old?


Pretty sure it was made within the last year or two. Magnus just recently dicked over Fenris. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/728940/9434578.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/728940/9434578.page GMT