<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "Chaos Daemon Icons and Instruments"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/16.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Chaos Daemon Icons and Instruments In 7E, Icons were pretty good. they gave +1 to combat res, which often was the difference between winning or losing a combat (and losing could mean half your squad dies)
But instruments were 'meh' at best as they only provided situational Warp Storm rerolls

In 8E, Icons are just bad. They cost too much for a rule that only applies 1-n-6 times.
Conversely, Instruments are darn near mandatory. +1" to Advance or charge is awesome

So what I am proposing is that Icons in 8E provide a similar rule to what they did in 7E.
Either -1 to the Morale roll (effectively +1LD), this affect should really extend to all units within 6" of the Icon (of the same chaos alignment, of course)
Or Roll 2D6 and take the lowest results

Daemons just do not have anything to mitigate Morale, which is ok as it represents their Daemonic Instability. But unlike Daemons in AoS, the overall LD of Daemons in 40K is much lower.
Most Daemons in AoS (which has the same Morale system) have LD10. Most in 40k have LD7.
Thoughts?

-]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/729926/9446671.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/729926/9446671.page GMT Chaos Daemon Icons and Instruments 40k now, the big difference is they are free which is a huge difference.

At 25 pts they are unbelievably expensive for something that potentially does nothing, personally i'd make them like 5pts, and make the number of daemon spawned d3.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/729926/9446759.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/729926/9446759.page GMT Chaos Daemon Icons and Instruments However, the fact that a separate chart on the same page has points specifically for them kinda kills that]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/729926/9446840.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/729926/9446840.page GMT Chaos Daemon Icons and Instruments
Also, it's technically a less than 1 in 6 chance of it triggering, as you need to have to take the Morale test first; it's entirely possible for some of your units to go a couple turns without having to take one, meaning the chances of getting reinforcements instead is even lower. So my vote would be to make them free.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/729926/9450729.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/729926/9450729.page GMT Chaos Daemon Icons and Instruments http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/729926/9450844.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/729926/9450844.page GMT Chaos Daemon Icons and Instruments
Asura Varuna wrote:
Don't you take a morale test every turn you take a casualty? Even if the unit only suffers one casualty and has no risk of taking additional wounds, you have a chance of regenerating models. And this can happen once per player turn, so potentially 14 times per battle. Reasonable chances of proccing a few times and may save you from morale doom on a given turn.

Sure, but you're pretty unlikely to get 14 goes at it on that basis; if your opponent is taking pot shots at your units with characters just to inflict a single casualty here or there then they're doomed whether you took Icons or not ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/729926/9450973.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/729926/9450973.page GMT